Kalvan14 Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=skqtxhqtxxdj9xxcx]133|100|Scoring: IMP1S-(2C)-?[/hv] Is there a SAYC standard for this type of hands?How high would you answer in any case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=skqtxhqtxxdj9xxcx]133|100|Scoring: IMP1S-(2C)-?[/hv] Is there a SAYC standard for this type of hands?How high would you answer in any case? I don't know if there's a "standard" but I would bid 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I'd go for a 2NT mixed raise, defenitely NOT sayc. Playing this sayc thingy, probably the bid is 3♣ invite or better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LH2650 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 From the ACBL SAYC Booklet, "Bids mean the same things they meant without the intervening bid." Three spades would be a limit raise. A cuebid, as in 1S - (2C) - 3C is a game force. I don't know if anyone actually plays this way, but that is the system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 You have a 7 loser hand with a 4 card fit for partner.This is substantially stronger than a limit raise. Equally significant, you have a stiff in the suit where RHO overcalled (and presumably has values). Your HCP are "working". I believe that most players would start with a 3♣ cue bid. Even if SAYC included splinters, this hand isn't quite strong enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 That was also my understanding. Which means that playing a straight SAYC you toss a coin: 3♠ or 4♠? Note: the comment was referred to LH2650 post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 4♠ ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 3S limit or 4S is ok in SAYC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Sayc is such a grab bag, and a splinter would need fewer soft values to be useful. The q-bid stands out with this 7 loser hand as pard can stop in 3S with a stinker. Since q-bids are generally forcing to game in sayc and you are unpassed, raise to 3S to show the "limit" raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Sayc is such a grab bag, and a splinter would need fewer soft values to be useful. The q-bid stands out with this 7 loser hand as pard can stop in 3S with a stinker. Since q-bids are generally forcing to game in sayc and you are unpassed, raise to 3S to show the "limit" raise. 4S 7.5 loser for me. I expect partner to not open stinkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 7.5 loser for me. I expect partner to not open stinkers. I need names....... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 2♠ for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted December 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 I choose to rebid 4♠, but then you know already I am not shy. 4♠ made easily, but pard had the "right" minimum: Axxxx Axx xx Axx: I would assume he'd pass a limit 3♠ without other indications.Still, having to toss a coin is not the best of possible worlds: IMO, the important features of this hand are the stiff club and the very good support in spades.A cue-bid should not be game forcing: it can be limit or better, and used in conjunction with a 2N showing support, and GF values in a balanced hand (I'd be the first to be surprised if a natural 2N is necessary here). The situation where pard opens in a major, and RHO overcalls is quite common, and it should be one of the first things a partnership agrees upon (I was playing with a pick-up partner, obviously). OTOH, SAYC should include better tools (which do not need to be very sofisticated to be effective) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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