Gerben42 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 [hv=d=s&s=sqxxxhakxdaqxxxcx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] You open 1♦, showing 4+♦ (still not 'sayc' but natural), partner responds 1♥. If you bid 1♠ partner bids 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Do you need both polls?Isn't the answer to one of them sufficient to deduce the answer to the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted December 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Maybe I should have made a zillion-possibility poll like "would have done A with the first hand and B with the second hand", might work better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Bidding your singleton doesn't seem like a good new option to me anyway :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mila85 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 2♣ - 4th suit forcingI show invitional values, ask about 5♥ and club stopper. WTP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 I think the modern treatment is to raise directly with a moderate 4=3=5=1 and make the delayed raise with roughly a King better than a minny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 2♣ - 4th suit forcingI show invitional values, ask about 5♥ and club stopper. WTP? The problem I see is 2♣ is a convention used by responder, not opener ;).Of course you can play it the way you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 I think the modern treatment is to raise directly with a moderate 4=3=5=1 and make the delayed raise with roughly a King better than a minny. Agree with this at least as far as North America goes. I am sure there are experts in other parts of the world that would find your statement bizarre. As far as I can tell it is universally accepted by the expert community in North America that 1D-1H-1S-1NT-2H promises extra values. With a minimum 4351 hand, it is OK to bid 1S as long as you are prepared to Pass partner's 1NT or 2D rebid. Otherwise you should raise to 2H on the first round. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Fred,I'm not disputing what you say. But I always thought that in general a delayed raise as opposed to a direct raise showed a weaker or flawed hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 I'm in Freds camp with the secondary raise indicating more values than the direct raise first time. Some players feel that you should show 4S after the H bid so as not to miss the possible 4-4 fit. The possibility responder can have 2-4-2-5 shape and has become end played into bidding 1NT with no preference on a minimum hand quite likely. The extra values allow greater comfort playing a poor 4-3 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 I disagree with everyone as IMOP the main difference between direct and delayed raise is that 1 has 4 cards, and the other 3 :P Also different is that 1 has minimum while the other shows extras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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