adhoc3 Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 9 9876 xx KQJxxx Your PD opened 1S, 1NT forcing and PD rebid 2H. Opps keep silent. How do you think the chance of a game? If you make an invitation, it is almost impossible to have PD understood what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Its a guess. There are hands where a GRAND is cold: Axxxx, AKQx, void, Axxx (heavy 2H but you see my point). There are also hands where we will struggle in 2H: KQxxx, Qxxx, Axx, x. Everything else falls in between. Anything could be right, but I think I'd opt for 3H at IMPs and probably MPs too but I might pass at MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I agree with Phil's analysis, though I might choose different bids (I would likely pass at MPs, 3H at IMPs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Its a guess. There are hands where a GRAND is cold: Axxxx, AKQx, void, Axxx (heavy 2H but you see my point). There are also hands where we will struggle in 2H: KQxxx, Qxxx, Axx, x. Everything else falls in between. Anything could be right, but I think I'd opt for 3H at IMPs and probably MPs too but I might pass at MPs. ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 If opps are good, they'll know to lead a trump against a heart contract, after which you'll be struggling quite a bit. If opps aren't that good, invite. Otherwise pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 3H. What is it, that partner does not understand? He may believe, I hold 10-12 HCP bal. with 4 card support, but who cares?As long as he takes the bid as invitational. With kind regardsMarlowe PS: Looking at the above comment,I agree, that 3H is probbaly IMP based,but I will bid it anyway, even playing MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Looks like 2 D tricks and 2 spade ruffs (hopefully) so will pard have a hand that produces 5 tricks most of the time? I pass and if they compete with ♣ then I will bid 3H (I like plusses in any form of scoring). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Its a guess. There are hands where a GRAND is cold: Axxxx, AKQx, void, Axxx (heavy 2H but you see my point). There are also hands where we will struggle in 2H: KQxxx, Qxxx, Axx, x. Everything else falls in between. Anything could be right, but I think I'd opt for 3H at IMPs and probably MPs too but I might pass at MPs. Playing RITON 2♣ rebids, you would pass, as you are likely to catch partner with the second hand (KQxxx, Qxxx, Axx, x or similar), since the first hand is clearly a 2♣ rebid (a good 15+ or better.... Axxxx, AKQx, void, Axxx). Not playing RITON, I would close my eyes and guess. At matchponts, I would guess pass and try to go plus. At imps, I would issue a game try... so I agree with Hannie and mike777. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 At the moment I have 14 cards.If I'm 1426 I would bid game at imps. The only way I have to invite is to raise 2H to 3H. Partner has no way of knowing that xxxxxAKxxxAxx makes game on a 3-2 break, but xxxxxAKxxAxxx goes off in 3H If I'm 1435 I probably raise to 3H if I some way of doing so and not implying a 10-count (.e.g if a 1NT response was limited). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I guess I am conservative :) I would pass with either 1426 or 1435. It is hard for me to get excited about this hand. KQJxx(x) may be nice but it rates to be opposite shortness. I have no honors in trumps, 3 small diamonds, and my stiff spade is not really that great unless partner has 5 hearts. I, like frances, do not think partner will be able to evaluate correctly over 3H, so I will pass. My judgement is 3 or 4 hearts will get us to many more hopeless contracts than good ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I pass. The usual hole in standard system, and another example of why a Gazzilli/Riton 2C cannot be substituted by judgment alone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Thanks Frances, for making us all look foolish (the 14 cards). I'm not sure that I agree with the premise that opener will not know whether to accept the invite. Opener is very wide ranging, and we likely have a good play for game if opener if maximal, and no play when opener is minimal. Opener also knows that we have at most 2 spades, so quick tricks there are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 9 9876 xxx KQJxxx Your PD opened 1S, 1NT forcing and PD rebid 2H. Opps keep silent. How do you think the chance of a game? If you make an invitation, it is almost impossible to have PD understood what you want. Can I see the actual hand please as the one you shoe has 14 cards? I will PASS at MP and MAYBE bid 3♥ @IMPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhoc3 Posted December 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 9 9876 xx KQJxxx Sry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 IMO my chances of making 4♥ are a bit more then 33% (chances of partner having ♣A), there are also some extra chances like soemsort of cross ruff after scoring 2 ♣ tricks. at MP I would pass, at IMPs I might even bid 3♣ to play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 It is clear to raise to 3H. You could score a game easily opposite a weak 5/5 hand and the 2H rebid simply shows a hand not worth a GF j/s. I think to pass 2H is criminal really and doing so will start your partner on the road to making J/S with 5/5 16 counts or less! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 I think 3♥ is wrong because this is the kind of hand where you don't want partner to count his HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 After long soul searching, I've convinced myself that pass is best for these reasons: 1) 3H overstates the strength of the hand both for offense and defense and only works when partner has substantial extras in either HCP or distribution. 2) The auction 1S-1N-2H-3H-4H is the type that propels the opponents into a speculative penalty double when they smell bad breaks. 3) If I were to bid, I'd want to be able to bid either 4H directly or 4C as a fit-showing jump and neither of these really describes my lack of goods. 4) Not every game or slam that makes is biddable - this may be one of those. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 17, 2005 Report Share Posted December 17, 2005 It is clear to raise to 3H. You could score a game easily opposite a weak 5/5 hand and the 2H rebid simply shows a hand not worth a GF j/s. I think to pass 2H is criminal really and doing so will start your partner on the road to making J/S with 5/5 16 counts or less!If partner did this I would think him a result merchant, basing his future bidding on the result of one hand that is unbiddable. A better partner would acknowledge your bidding problem with a nod of the head and a ce la vie. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 4♥ at IMPs, pass at MPs Edit: Or maybe 3♥ at MPs, I can't decide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 18, 2005 Report Share Posted December 18, 2005 I'm very surprised to hear mcphee say that this is clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 I'm very surpirsed to hear that you are very surprised to hear mcphee say he finds this one clear ;) BTW, adhoc, could you enlighten us with the full deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 i'm torn between 3 and 4♥, but voted 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhoc3 Posted December 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=b&n=skqxxxhaqtxdjtxca&w=sjxxhjxxdakxxxcxx&e=saxxxhkxdqxxcxxxx&s=s9h9876dxxckqjxxx]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] The stiff Ace was placed ugly. The leading was D and continued until dummy ruffed. Small ♣ to A, ♠Q taken by A, East exit with ♣, Dummy K, then Q. It's funny west ruffed ♣Q, a hope for making emerged!..... Went -2 finally. Close room made some partscore, I cant remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=b&n=skqxxxhaqtxdjtxca&w=sjxxhjxxdakxxxcxx&e=saxxxhkxdqxxcxxxx&s=s9h9876dxxckqjxxx]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] The stiff Ace was placed ugly. The leading was D and continued until dummy ruffed. i'd probably have toss my spade on the 3rd diamond and pinned everything on the trump hook win the ♣A, ruff a spade, ♥Q, win the club.. still down tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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