slam

[sceptic]

[hv=d=e&v=e&n=s7542hat6dqjcj874&w=sthk32dk98754cqt2&e=skj98hj854dt62c95&s=saq63hq97da3cak63]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     -     Pass  1♣

 Pass  1♠    Pass  3♦

 Pass  4♣    Pass  4♦

 Pass  4♥    Pass  4NT

 Pass  5♦    Pass  5♠

 Pass  6♣    Pass  Pass

 Pass  

 

I was south, what do you think of my bidding?

[hrothgar]

The 1♣ opening is perfectly reasonable...

 

The rest of the auction strikes me as rather strange. It appears as if South thought that 3♦ was some species of conventional Spade raise. Hence the attempt to signoff in 5♠.

 

North didn't appear to be in on the joke.

[mikestar]

Much better would be 1♣-1♠-4♠-P.

[P_Marlowe]

Nothing.

 

If you have the reasonable agreement

that

 

1C - 1X

2NT -

 

is forcing, that would be perfect, else

just bid 4S, or just risk bidding 2NT.

 

Playing IMP, partner wont pass 2NT very

often.

 

3D is a bid, which tries to be clever, taking

partner out of the decison process.

You could play 3D as a splinter raise for spade,

I dont, but that needs special agreement.

 

In the given auction 5S usually asks partner to bid

5NT, opener says we are off 2 keycards, i.e. Partner

should bid 5NT not 6C, but that's another story and

besides the point.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Robert]

Hi everyone

 

Exotic bidding?

 

It seems that you forced to slam in a possiblea 4-3 or 4-2 fit without any possible reason.

 

Unless the 3D bid was some sort of conventional spade raise, it is a terrible bid.

 

1C-1S-2D is a forcing bid showing 16+/17+HCP. Some people do play that a 'jump reverse'(3Ds) shows an unbalanced spade raise. Since you hand does not contain any shortness, showing side shortness is not a really good idea.

 

Most people would raise 1S to 4S to show about 19+ dummy points, four card support and no side shortness.

 

Your partner showed 'tolerance' for your 'long' club suit(his 4C bid) and denied four card diamond support. I would prefer that he bid 3NT holding a heart stopper rather than support clubs with Jxxx

 

Your 4D bid should be either a cuebid showing 'really long solid(semi?) clubs' or show a 5D and 6C hand 'if' some prior agreement was made.

 

4H is a good bid opposite a good partner. It is a terrible bid opposite someone who bids like South bids.

 

Without some unusual agreement, 5S forces 5NT and the follow up 6C bid is a Grand Slam try in 'clubs' showing that all the Aces are present and the trump suit is solid. Neither condition applies.

 

6C is trying to save something from this very strange auction.

 

If you play 1C-1S-2NT is forcing(which I do not), you could bid 1C-1S-2NT*-3NT

which is likely the best contract. It happens to work on this hand, however, on other hands bidding to 3NT opposite 5-6HCP is overbidding.

 

Playing standard methods the best reasonable contract is 4S.

 

Does the result suggest that maybe 1C-1S-4S showing about 19+ dummy points, 4 card spade support and no side shortness might be a somewhat better method?

 

Regards,

Robert

[bearmum]

[mike777]

1c=1s

4s=Used to mean around 18-20 hcp and 4 spades and no shortness, but perhaps this is just very old fashion bidding and not used anymore.

[luke warm]

1c=1s

4s=Used to mean around 18-20 hcp and 4 spades and no shortness, but perhaps this is just very old fashion bidding and not used anymore.

if it is, nobody told me (not used anymore, that is)

[Finch]

I'm afraid I agree with everyone else who thinks the South hand has a 4S bid over 1S.

 

To be more helpful, I would ask two questions: i) what was the purpose of the 3D bid - what were you trying to show?

ii) what would you expect partner to take it to mean, without discussion?

[inquiry]

Your bidding was attrocious. 3♦ on a doubleton? Your partner has no clue where the auction is going. Since 2♦ would have been a reverse and forcing, was 3♦ meant as a splinter? Was it meant as a super second suit? What the heck did you mean it as. I assume your partner was suggesting clubs as a contract, and you force with a 4♦ cue. What is your partner to do, but cue his ♥A (and he might have thought his ♦QJ were great fitting cards with nothing wasted in ♠... does he know about the spade fit yet). After this you force to slam, letting partner in on spades fit with you last bid.

 

You have a descriptive bid availabe, as pointed out by others, 1m-1S-4S. IF slam is in the offing, after t his bid, your partner will be the one to make the decision. Here you simply decided to force to slam after hearing 1♠.

[sceptic]

Ok, would you agree that anyone who bids like this should not critisise people who frequent the BIL lounge for being weak players

 

if the answer is No, then I would suggest that the real south bidder, keep his comments about weak players in BIL to him self and take his head out of his backside and keep his rather distasteful comments to himself

 

Thank You

[Finch]

children, if you're going to squabble go and do it outside where mummy can't hear you.

[inquiry]

children, if you're going to squabble go and do it outside where mummy can't hear you.

I am not sure Frances, from your comment, you seems to suggest that sceptic is angry at people for pointing out that south's bidding was at fault, all to varying degrees. Perhaps he is. But I think what his last post suggest is that he was north, he played this in the BIL (an online private club for beginners), and the south player was criticical of his partner for bad bidding, assumin you read into the following "quote" "anyone" would refer to south....... "

would you agree that anyone who bids like this should not critisise people who frequent the BIL lounge for being weak players

 

The short answer is NO ONE playing BIL should be overly critisized. The reason they are there is to learn and have fun. BBO rules frown upon such critical comments.

 

This is further supported by this comment, note the real "south bidder" has yet to surface here... ...

 

if the answer is No, (it is no, see above) then I would suggest that the real south bidder, keep his comments about weak players in BIL to him self and take his head out of his backside and keep his rather distasteful comments to himself

 

It seems to me we used to justify that point that if something went horribly wrong here, it went wrong from the south seat and it seems the original poster is quite satisfied by the fact that we all think South went off the deep end with a life preserver.

[luis]

3♦ is atrocious not sure if that is a real english word but seems to be the best description about the 3♦ bid that comes to my mind.

[inquiry]

3♦ is atrocious not sure if that is a real english word

a·tro·cious

adj.

   1. Extremely evil or cruel; monstrous: an atrocious crime.

   2, Exceptionally bad; abominable: atrocious decor; atrocious behavior.

 

I would guess Exceptionally Bad or Abominable would fit... Even monstrous....

[han]

sceptic,

 

I think I understand what you were doing with this thread and I find it distasteful. Telling people that you bid this so that they will comment on a bad bid of another forum member is not right. I understand that you are annoyed, but this is not an acceptable way to get back at somebody in my opinion.

 

Han

[sceptic]

Ben, I NEVER take offence at critisisms aimed at me

 

I was neither

 

Francis was right and so is Han I should not bring my squabbles here

 

I was just p*****d off with someone

 

Apologys all