To bid or not to bid

[Guest Jlall]

A KQ9xx xx 9xxxx. Imps white/red, 1D on your left, 1S by pard pass to you. What would you bid if

 

A ) new suits are forcing

 

and

 

B ) new suits are non forcing?

[Kalvan14]

A) Pass

:P 2H

[Winstonm]

I really don't like new suit forcing here - at times that treatment helps but more often it leaves me stuck for a bid - as here.

 

A) Pass. All other alternatives are guesses, hoping luck is in. My style, with a good hand and no fit I have to cue bid and then bid - not always great but this is defensive bidding and it lacks in accuracy. I also have jump shifts to encourage as well as some numbers of NTs. But when I have an OK hand with a reason to bid and no fit I'm stuck playing this as forcing but non-forcing at least I can keep the auction alive with a medium type hand.

 

B) 2H. Not only should this be non-forcing but it should deny spade support.

 

C) 1D-2C-P-2H. Now, after the 2-level overcall, advancer's bid should be a 1-round force.

 

Winston

[Robert]

Hi everyone

 

Kalvan14's two votes are 100% correct(they agree with mine) :(

 

1) pass 2)2H

 

The decision is not even close on 1)

 

On 2) I am making the bid based on a possible heart game. If the Heart suit were a minor, I would pass here.

 

The lead directing part of a 2H call also causes me to lean towards bidding rather than a pass.

 

I changed from transfer advances to non forcing suits to get the 'lead advantage.'

 

Bdding 2Ds and putting down Kx or KJx in LHO's suit and have the lead come 'into' LHOs suit was a bothersome part of transfer advances. :P

 

Regards,

Robert

[Finch]

i) 2H, but I don't mind pass

ii) 2H

 

If partner is a fan of 'girlie' overcalls (i.e. would think 1S is correct rather than 2S on KQxxx and out) I pass on both.

[bridge2k]

I play new suit no forcing here. My choice is 2♥.

[joker_gib]

1)Pass

2) maybe 2♥ :)

[inquiry]

This hand is too good to pass. From your two choices, I would prefer that new suit not be forcing and bid 2♥ (option :). This however, puts you in a bind if new suit bids are forcing. So if 2♥ is forcing, I might pull out a very odd looking 1NT bid and if partner ask about it later, explain that I had two hearts in with my diamonds.

 

One idea, I like is new suits BELOW their opened suit are forcing (so here, 2♣ would be forcing). And from their suit up to partners suits are "transfers". So here, after, the choice would be.

 

(1♦) - 1♠ - (pass) - ?

• 2♣ = forcing
  
• 2♦ = shows hearts, weak or strong. If with ♠ support, this would lead directing. Partner doesn't have to complete the transfer
  
• 2♥ = constructive raise to 2♠
  
• 2♠ = "competetive weak raise"
  
• 2NT = strong game try, with ♠ fit
  
• 3 level new suit, fit jump
  
• 3♦ = mixed raise.
  

If partner bids only 2♥ over my 2♦ "transfer", I would pass. If partner rebids 2♠, I would pass. If partner does something more interesting, I am very likely to bid again.

[Fluffy]

1NT on both, maybe 2♥ on second... its close

[flytoox]

1) 1N.

2) 2H

[mikeh]

1NT on both, maybe 2♥ on second... its close

I suspect a mis-read of the problem... :)

 

For me, the 1st one is very close: but I tend to bid on these hands so the truth is I'd probably bid 2♥

 

On the second, 2♥ is clear

 

I play transfer advances anyway (so would swap these problems for others), and would bid 2♦ on both: altho this hand is not great for the method because I am sort of caught between having a good hand and a bad one. If partner merely accepts the transfer, that to me says that he would pass a weak 2♥ opening, so I am done despite that good ♠A and the hidden 5 card side suit.

[mike777]

i) 2H, but I don't mind pass

ii) 2H

 

If partner is a fan of 'girlie' overcalls (i.e. would think 1S is correct rather than 2S on KQxxx and out) I pass on both.

1) pass

2) 2H with trepidation.

 

Yes, one partner plays "girlie" overcalls at fav. vul. I would not be surprised if my RHO has a huge hand with spades.

 

Qxxxx=xx=Kxxx=Qx by partner would not shock me.

[Fluffy]

1NT on both, maybe 2♥ on second... its close

I suspect a mis-read of the problem... :ph34r:

Ugh sorry. I missread it.

 

I change my votes for 1NT and 1NT :ph34r:

[Guest Jlall]

I think I would try 2H if it was not forcing, and have no idea what I'd do if it was forcing. I don't usually play new suits as forcing, even after a 2 level overcall, but have gotten good results with it with the 2 partners I do play it forcing with. This is the first time I've seen a real "problem" hand created by new suits forcing. Anyways my partner chose to pass since 2H would be forcing and that didn't work out too well mainly because the 1S bid was ridiculous. 6H was cold and there we were in 1S :ph34r: I don't blame him for the result it was completely the fault of the 1S bid, but thought this was an interesting downside to new suits forcing.

[Al_U_Card]

Doesn't the 2 suited nature of this hand raise it up a bit? I really like the transfer advance bit, as it lets you get the 2nd suit in. If pard has no fit, then the trump ace is nice and NT may be available if he has the 17 pt overcall hand.......

[Kalvan14]

My strong preference is for new suits not being forcing in this situation (overcall at 1-level). An overcall at 2-level might be trickier (say 1H-2D-?), but you still have the cue-bid available: new suits at 2-level are again non-forcing, but at 3-level are.

 

Btw, given the posted hand, it will take some convincing to make me play NT.