Guest Jlall Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 KQ KQ9 xxx AKJxx. Imps, you start the action with 1C. 1D on your left, 1S from pard, 2D on your right? What's your bid, and you DO play support Xs so please don't suggest X showing a strong hand :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 2♥ but I'm not convinced... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 2♥ Seems like we have the choice of double, 2♥ or 3♦. There is a lot to be said for a quiet 2♥ bid - partner can show spade length, correct to 3♣ with a poor hand (after which I can bid 3♠) or do something more constructive. The only real issue is a jump to 4♥, at which point I'd have to hope that I can bid 4♠ and escape. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 This is a really brutal problem... I can't find a single call that is even remotely appealingI'm torn between Pass, 2♥, 2NT, and 3♣ Each of these bids is a dreadful misrepresentation.I feel more comfortable lying about a stopper than anything else, so mark me down for 2NT... On a good day, LHO will be afraid to lead Diamonds into my positional stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 This is truly one of the toughest problems I have seen. All calls are bad: perhaps 'redeal?' is best. Ok, they won't redeal. For me the choice is between: Pass 2♥ double I choose a slow, slow 2♥ and here is why: Pass is not as terrible as it seems. If partner, with short(ish) ♦ cannot bid, there is at least a decent chance that we cannot make anything. Having said that, pass is a mighty big position to take with these values... even downgrading the hand as I do for the sterile shape. 2♥, the fake reverse, gets the job done in terms of conveying hcp but it is not particularly accurate in terms of shape. Ok, it is only 1 card out, but what do we do if partner raises? Can/will he raise on 3 card support? I don't think so, because he should have no more than 2♦ 95% of the time but that other 5% worries me: Jxxxx AJx xxx xx: what can he do other than raise ♥? If he raises, showing 5+♠ if he has 4♥, can we get back to ♠? I don't think so, not without strongly suggesting a 3=4=1=5 powerhouse. If we get raised in ♥, we stay in ♥. But he may be able to prefer ♣ or rebid ♠. I raise ♠ and worry about ♣ later. double as the fake support double: I have extra hcp and my doubleton ♠ looks almost as strong as xxx :) However, it doesn't look quite as long, and partner is getting tapped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Lying about a stopper in a suit that one opponent has bid is one thing, since there's a chance partner has the stopper you need. But I don't think it's a good idea to lie about it in a suit they've bid and raised seems really reckless. I doubt I would find the 2♥ bid at the table, I'd probably go with the 3♣ underbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Question for the 2H bidders, what is your planned rebid over 3C? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 How do we play a 2NT bid here?(I'm not saying it's the right call whatever it means, just that it affects what inferences partner has) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I am ready to play in the 5-2 fit in spades with HH doubleton, and pard did make a free bid of 1S. I'll start with Double (yes, even playing support doubles, I lie on the 3rd spads, but it's more flexible to hear pard's rebid), and if pard does not bid 2NT, I'll bid 4S since we are likely to have nothing wasted in diamonds, and anything pard provides in the side suit should help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I'd probably bid 2♠ to show delayed doubleton honor support. If partner has ♦ stopped maybe he can bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 How do we play a 2NT bid here?(I'm not saying it's the right call whatever it means, just that it affects what inferences partner has) just 18-19 balanced, presumably with diamonds stopped. Denying 3 spades as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I guess 3D looking for a stopper is not tenable? (18+6 hcp = game with a D stop). Pard will have to handle the D tap if we end up in S but my 2 honors will help with the drawing of trump in 3S... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Pass - in tempo I hope. I have to put faith in my methods and my partner. My methods have no convenient way to show this hand while my partner is holding short diamonds and will act with many hands. If he happens to hold weak spades and a flattish hand with a doubleton diamond honor, we might get to play 2D - and that might not be that bad anyway. The real nightmare comes when pard reopens with a double - what the heck can I do then except bid 3D? Only thing I know for sure on this hand is that if partner at any time rebids spades I will treat it as a transfer to game. :P Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Question for the 2H bidders, what is your planned rebid over 3C? I wish you had not asked that :P Actually, for me the 3♣ bid establishes a gf: partner had 2N as an artificial weakness bid, so I would bid 3♦, postponing my decision for yet another round :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I rebid 3clubs, will leave the 2H rebids to the experts. BTW is good/bad 2nt on here, meaning we could not rebid a natural 2nt 18-19? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 All you bidders have rebid problems.....I would like to point out that I have no further bidding concerns after partner's balancing seat pass.... :P Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge2k Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I double, with KQ good support, it's fine even you play support dbl here. If pd bid 3C, I'll bid 3D to look for ♦ stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Question for the 2H bidders, what is your planned rebid over 3C? If I had rebid 2h, 3 clubs for me would be game force by responder. Yes that means responder without 4 hearts would rebid 2s with weak hand and 5 spades or is forced to rebid 2nt which would not, repeat not, promise a stopper in D. Assuming partner had rebid 2nt, no stopper promised, I then would rebid 3clubs, non forcing..... Not that bad of a sequence actually.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I thought you came up with a reasonable approach when you played it against me. But I thought Josh's call at the other table was OK too, although it led to complications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 I like a support X with this hand. Here are my thoughts: Clearly our most likely game is 4S even if it is a 5-2. Our KQs are so bad for 3N that even if partner has a diamond stop he needs a major suit ace and the club queen or both major suit aces to be able to make. If he has that 4S will probably make to if he also has 5 spades. The real danger hand is pard with the heart ace, the club queen, and the diamond K and 5 spades. In that case the support X lands you in 4S with 3N cold. Oh well. On the upside it makes it much easier to get to a 5-2 spade game or stop in a partscore (admittedly 2H can help you stop in a partscore IF you have good agreements which was not the case at the time). It is still possible to play 3N opposite a hand with 4 spades and values, and won't lead to any nasty rebid problems. After X it went 3D p p X for values, p 3S which was passed out (pard didn't bid 3S directly or jump to game over the second X and you have no real fit so game is very unlikely). This made. At the other table the player bid 2H and when his pard bid 3C, he tried 3D. His pard now bid 3N which went off 3. I basically agree with Phil that all of the options are reasonable (and they are also all sickening!) but I thought this was a particularly brutal hand. If you pass you defend 2D which will make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 My choice was also to make a support double, but I didn't dare to write it. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LH2650 Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Question for the 2H bidders, what is your planned rebid over 3C?If 3C is GF, 3S seems clear, if not, pass must be OK. The real problem appears to be that you had no agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Irrespective of the table outcome:- double is the least evil- a close alternative is pass- don't like 2N without a stopper (and pard has 2 diamonds or less). - 3♣ on 5 (decent) cards is not really attractive but in any case better than 2N This said, the best way to compete is double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 Forgive the (likely) dumb question, but I have never played support doubles. If double shows 3♠, what does an immediate 2♠ show? I gather the problem is it would not show the strength of this hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcvetkov Posted December 8, 2005 Report Share Posted December 8, 2005 I like a support X with this hand. Here are my thoughts: Clearly our most likely game is 4S even if it is a 5-2. Is 4 ♠ game really that great with 5-2? Partner will get tapped very quickly in ♦ with his presumed singleton and there may be some transportation problems to draw trumps or they may be able to arrange a club ruff. Anyway I expect 4s will not be a walk in the park with trumps 4-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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