funny Vugraph hand

[han]

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=s9hj7532dk98762c9]133|100|Scoring: IMP

Pass-1C-3H-3S

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Philippe Cronier just had this hand on Vugraph. What would you bid, and what do you think Philippe bid?

[jillybean]

I'd bid 5♥, I've heard down 1 is good bridge :lol:

 

I have no ieda who Philippe is or what he'd bid

[han]

Philippe Cronier is a French international player, and he did not bid 5♥ :lol:. Also, 5♥ would not be down one (but you are close).

[Guest Jlall]

7H. Whatever :lol:

[luis]

3NT of course

I need to protect pd's honors :-)

[Al_U_Card]

Can you use a fit-showing jump in D to show your H? 6D otherwise 6H.

[PMetsch]

I pass and let them play any game they bid, but bid 7♥ if they bid 6♠.

[Robert]

Hi everyone

 

6NT

 

Do the French have a sense of humor?

 

What agreements do you have over a 6NT bid in this auction?

 

My agreement is that a double of 4NT asks for Aces, so that old joke doesn't work.

 

Over 5NT they can cue bid a minor to invite seven.

 

Over 6NT they might not have decent agreements. :lol:

 

Regards,

Robert

[Guest Jlall]

Why is 6N better than 7H? As a passed hand with the opps in a GF, 6N is very transparent, and gives them additional bids, IE Xing 6N then passing 7H, or more importantly bidding 7C over 6N. I don't understand the advantage.

[awm]

Can I bid 7♦ as a fit-jump, to help partner decide whether to take the eight-level sacrifice?

 

Oh well, I guess they banned those 8-level bids a while back. 7♥ looks pretty good right now.

[whereagles]

Double, for penalties. If they don't redouble, it will score less than 6♠ :lol:

[han]

Cronier bid 7♥, this went for 800. At the other table the auction started the same (p-1C-3H-3S) but his counterpart only bid 6H. Now the opponents had little difficulty bidding 7S, which made.

[Fluffy]

I have no ieda who Philippe is or what he'd bid

That also happened to me when I joined the forums, everytime someone was quoting a book author wich seemed to be 'the last word of any discussion', ,yet I didn't ever heard of that guy, but since others seemed to afree on that opinion I had teh good sense not to claim I had no idea of who was that (probably american) guy whose word was to overule my common sense :lol:

[han]

Now that you are almost an ex-junior, it may be time to read up on some American bridge literature Fluffy. Wasn't it Culbertson who said "if you don't know me then you ain't very good"?

 

 

 

 

Just kidding, and I made up the quote. ♦

 

[pclayton]

7H looks about right and a double looks fun. I'll leave the fit bids on the shelf this time.

 

Against real good opponents who respect my game (there aren't many :P) I might try a LOL 4H. After all, what good player only raises to 4 with 5 trump?

[han]

neither opponent cares how many hearts you have Phil. One has a stiff ace, the other has a void :P.

[Robert]

Hi Jlall

 

The question appeared to be a 'trick' question, so I answered with a 'trick answer.'

 

7H was somewhat 'obvious' so I 'guessed' that it could not be the answer.

 

4NT is 'known' to be a bluff and some pairs have an agreement that doubling the

 

4NT is RKC. Unlikey to be the right answer.

 

5NT left too much room for the other pair to bid.

 

6H seemed to 'push' them into 6S or allow them to make a forcing pass.

 

I am guessing that the 6NT bid is a fair guess as to what the answer to this 'trick

 

question' would be.

 

Was it you that answered 7Hs 'whatever'? I might be wrong with my 6NT 'guess',

 

however, I find it very hard to believe that your 7H answer is the 'right answer.'

 

Best regards,

Robert

[Fluffy]

Now that you are almost an ex-junior, it may be time to read up on some American bridge literature Fluffy. Wasn't it Culbertson who said "if you don't know me then you ain't very good"?

 

 

 

 

Just kidding, and I made up the quote. ♦

If they are card play ones...ok. But on a bidding one you know the first time I see a 3 card raise example I'll close the book and say: 'this guy has no clue of what is this game about' :)

[Guest Jlall]

I never claimed 7H was "right," indeed I doubt anyone would be so silly as to say any bid is "right" on a hand like this. I do think it is definitely possible for some bids to be clearly inferior, for instance a 7N bid. I did not claim this was the case either for 6N, but I do wonder why it is ever better than a 7H bid (they are similar because both force to 7H) so I asked.

 

You seem to be trying to guess what the player did at the table while I'm trying to discuss the various tactics involved in actually bidding this hand.

[Winstonm]

Pass. I only have 4 points. :)

 

Winston

[mike777]

I never claimed 7H was "right," indeed I doubt anyone would be so silly as to say any bid is "right" on a hand like this. I do think it is definitely possible for some bids to be clearly inferior, for instance a 7N bid. I did not claim this was the case either for 6N, but I do wonder why it is ever better than a 7H bid (they are similar because both force to 7H) so I asked.

 

You seem to be trying to guess what the player did at the table while I'm trying to discuss the various tactics involved in actually bidding this hand.

One possible tactic for newer players is to try and just bid your hand or make the normal lead/ etc and make what seems like a normal 7H bid to you. Several advantages to this tactic.

1) If you make what seems like normal bids/leads, plays, your expert partner can teach you alot when they point out your bid was far from normal and where your "normal thinking" is way off base.

2) This really allows your expert partner to trust your bids/leads and plays on the more simple hands. She will have a good idea what hands are just plain too tough for your level of play and what hands are up to your standard of play.

3) Just spending a short amount of time playing on bbo shows one what passes for "normal" leads or "normal" limit raises or invite hands compared to what standard books teach.

4) On this hand bidding 7H seems normal to my level of play but just look at all the responses and thinking on this hand!

[PMetsch]

I think the best bid with this hand is 7♣. Now the opps will not bid 7♠, because they are afraid of a ♣ ruff.

[Finch]

I never claimed 7H was "right," indeed I doubt anyone would be so silly as to say any bid is "right" on a hand like this. I do think it is definitely possible for some bids to be clearly inferior, for instance a 7N bid. I did not claim this was the case either for 6N, but I do wonder why it is ever better than a 7H bid (they are similar because both force to 7H) so I asked.

 

You seem to be trying to guess what the player did at the table while I'm trying to discuss the various tactics involved in actually bidding this hand.

I think it's hard to discuss tactics without knowing who the opponents are, or at least their standard.

 

The usual guiding principle is "bid to the level where you don't know what you want the opponents to do". The problem with this hand is that you know that whatever level you bid, you want them to double you.

 

You are fairly certain that 6S is making.

You would be surprised if 7S went off, but not hugely so; however you know that 7H will be extremely cheap anyway.

 

So the only useful discussion on tactics here, is the best way to persaude the opponents to defend. There are three approaches:

 

- Bid 6H and then pass out 6S. I think this is the best way to defend 6S and not a grand. It's what you might do if you don't mind conceding 1010 but don't want to concede 1510.

 

- Go slowly and hope they mis-guess and/or psyche. I quite fancy a 'lead-directing' 6C call, except we are on lead and they'll know it's a psyche. Pity. This is the 4H, 5H, 6H route, and tends to work best against weaker players.

 

- Bid 7H. This is probably the best chance of getting doubled against good opponents (take away as much room as possible), but also it increases the chance of defending 7S. The difficulty is that opponents sometimes think 'I was happy to play in 6S, but 7H is likely to be so cheap that I don't mind bidding a marginal 7S'.

[han]

I think the best bid with this hand is 7♣. Now the opps will not bid 7♠, because they are afraid of a ♣ ruff.

Yeah, they might not want you to lead your void. :ph34r:

[beatrix45]

:P My guess is PASS. Why help the opponents? If they settle at six, maybe, just maybe I will try the sacrifice at 7♥. I can't save over seven spades.

 

P.S. Reviewed the latest thread. Wrong again! Would they have reached seven anyway?