mcphee Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 [hv=s=shdc]133|100|[/hv][hv=s=shdc]133|100|[/hv] E opens bidding 1 S you pass as does your LHO and partner dbles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I think forcing to game is a bit much, since partner is surely short in spades and could be a bit light for the balancing double. However, 1NT and 2♦ seem like underbids with a full opening hand. This hand will make game opposite many 14-counts (xx AKQx Axx JTxx or Ax AKxx xxx Kxxx offer pretty good play for game). Partner's never going to bid on over 1NT or 2♦ with those. Pass could be right, but the spade spots are so bad. It seems like opener probably has 4-5 spade tricks and no reason he can't scrounge another couple tricks. Most of the hands where we set, we had game anyway. Give me the ♠T and pass is a bit more appealing. This basically leaves me with 2NT and 3♦. Since partner doesn't have to have four diamonds for the double, and I don't like playing 4-3 fits at the three-level, I'll go with 2NT. It's easy to imagine that 2NT is one down, or that we will play 2NT= instead of 1♠X-1 or something. But I'll go with the "textbook" bid on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 On the 'subtract a king when responding to a balancing double', I can essentially choose between 1N / 2N and 3♦. I think 2N is a bit much but I balance on distributional drek too. If 1N shows 8-11 in response to a direct double, then 1N should show around 11-14 or so in response to a balancing x. Besides my spade spots suck and if pard has Kx, its important that NT be played from the other side of the table. Count me in for 3♦. I think its a sensible value bid and gets us pointed in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I have 1♠ stopper and little hope that dummy will provide more: Kx is useless to me, for example. I have no extra length source of tricks and opener, whose ♠ are likely established at trick one or two, will have an entry in a round suit almost for sure (and may even have the ♦A). I am not vulnerable: this is the most important factor for me on these imp upgrade/downgrade issues. 3♦ will be awful if passed: give partner a 2=4=3=4 12 count, and this could fare very poorly even tho we have lots of hcp. So I bid 1N. Give me Q9xx of ♠ and I bid 2N. My second choice is neither 2N nor 3♦: it is 2♠: if partner has that hypothetical Kx of ♠, 2♠ will rightside 3N. However, 2♠ is more likely to find me bidding over 3♣, and that prospect is too scary. We can still reach a better denomination after 1N, although perhaps I am deluding myself. BTW, pass is insane. And that is being kind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Take away a King, and what you have is a normal 1NT response to a take double, although you have max. And you should take away the King, because partner made a takeout double in the bal. seat. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I voted for 3D because I think that 1NT is too light and 2NT is too heavy. Also, my spades are bad and my diamonds are good so if partner has a light double then 3D will likely play better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I am one of the (two, so far) 3D bidders. If partner cannot bid 3NT over my 3D, I seriously doubt we belong in 2NT and maybe not in 1NT. We also might not belong in diamonds of course but partner asked my help in choosing a strain and 3D is my best shot. It depends a little on who I am playing with, I guess. My own view is that fourth hand is allowed to pass out one spade if he doesn't actually have anything but I know some folks regard that as heresy. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I am one of the (two, so far) 3D bidders. If partner cannot bid 3NT over my 3D, I seriously doubt we belong in 2NT and maybe not in 1NT. We also might not belong in diamonds of course but partner asked my help in choosing a strain and 3D is my best shot. It depends a little on who I am playing with, I guess. My own view is that fourth hand is allowed to pass out one spade if he doesn't actually have anything but I know some folks regard that as heresy. Ken Not argueing with 3D, it is an option, but there are people around, who would double freely with 4-3 in the minors, hence you may be left playing on the3 level in a 4-3 fit, diamond may play better, but better than 3 tricks? Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I am one of the (two, so far) 3D bidders. If partner cannot bid 3NT over my 3D, I seriously doubt we belong in 2NT and maybe not in 1NT. We also might not belong in diamonds of course but partner asked my help in choosing a strain and 3D is my best shot. It depends a little on who I am playing with, I guess. My own view is that fourth hand is allowed to pass out one spade if he doesn't actually have anything but I know some folks regard that as heresy. Ken Not argueing with 3D, it is an option, but there are people around, who would double freely with 4-3 in the minors, hence you may be left playing on the3 level in a 4-3 fit, diamond may play better, but better than 3 tricks? Marlowe Indeed it could be bad. But. Possibly partner has a good hand and my show of strength will get us to game. Maybe he bids 3NT, maybe he bids 3S in which case I bid 3N and hope for the best. Maybe 3D is a good contract. Maybe I go down. All possible. All in all, 3D is my bid. I am far from certain it is right, but it's my call. I very much agree that partner may have only three diamonds. Bad things can happen. On the other hand he presumably is short in spades so the ruff will be in the hand with three trump, and my trumps are pretty good. If he has Axx in diamonds I may be able to handle it. It's a good point you raise. Partner can be light in the balance seat. Probably the 1NT response should be a little heavier than opposite a direct double. I don't adjust all that much, but perhaps I should. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 If 1NT would show 8-11 opposite a direct seat double, then 1NT here opposite a balancing double is quite appealing. Obviously this has advantages. But if you heard 1♠-X-Pass or 1♠-Pass-Pass-X-Pass, would you really pull out a two-level bid with: AQxxxxxxxxxxx It seems like this is a recipe for disaster, playing a 4-3 or even 3-3 fit with no potential ruffs in hand, on a board where you likely hold roughly half the values. A direct seat double normally shows an opening hand (rarely a bit less with "perfect" 1444 shape). Why scramble at the two-level instead of bidding a perfectly playable 1NT with 6-7 points? This is not the same as an overcall which is often 8 points or perhaps even lighter, where responding 1NT on a 6-count is asking for the red card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 1nt Mr. Conservative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 2N and I feel like it's just right on values (and a little light on the stopper side). Nothing's perfect, I don't want to miss a normal game by bidding 1N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Hello everyone This is a normal 1NT 'without' extra values. Partner should not let them play a one bid when 'his' partner normally holds an opening bid 'behind' the opening bidder. The theory of 'adjusting' your bidding by about a 'king' fits this auction. I tend to be a very agressive balancer. Partner can have a normal 14-15HCP and what is he supposed to do except 'pass' when holding 4 cards in openers suit and xx in an unbid suit? Doubling 1S with 4=3=3=3 is also not great thing of beauty. Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 The choice is between 1N and 2N. On a direct take-out double, I would bid 2N for sure. Here I'm more inclined toward 1N. Bidding is cooperative: if pard borrows a king from me for his bid, he must do the same for his re-bid. Which means that with a 14 HCP count or better he should keep the bid open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 2NT seems perfect to me (well, maybe not perfect, but not bad)... with a good hand and hearts (5 or 6), partner can bid 4H now, knowing i have 2 or 3 but definitely not 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 1NT is 10-12. That's what I have, so that's what I bid :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 The nice D suit makes 1NT a no lose bid..... we know that S will be led and 3NT will be really hard to make so relax and enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 I also vote for 2NT, but I hate wrong siding the contract, 3♦ clearly has a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 2NT too. I can't bid 3♦ with only 4 cards. Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 1NT for me ... partner could have a 1444 8-count. If he has more then he can bid again. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.