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Robert

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Hello kalvan14

 

Playing Soloway(?) shifts(most strong jump shifts follow the same general idea)

The 2S bidder has a strong one suiter and will rebid 3Ss. He has a strong

5+ card suit and will rebid NT showing 'near' slam interest. The last hand type is 5+ spades and primary support for your suit. He will either support your suit or make a cue bid by bidding a new suit 'showing' shortness. :(

 

Opener is supposed to 'not' get in the way of responders bids if at all possible.

Rebidding your suit(or bididng a new suit) should show a 'concentration of values', so I would rebid 3C here.

 

Bidding 2NT or a space wasting 3NT would only waste bidding space. You should not want to suggest to partner that you hold a heart stopper that could play in 6NT

'if' he holds long strong spades. If he has strong spades and 0-1 hearts, 6NT may have severe problems.

 

You certainly should have a good play(an unlikely hand to hold opposite a strong jump shift) for slam, now all you have to do is 'not' get in partner's way.

 

I am just guessing that responder does not hold a NT type SJS(looking at my Ds)

and he also does not hold primary club support(looking at my clubs) I am betting on his holding long spades.

 

If he jumps again, that shows a solid suit and your 'xx' of spades will be great trump support. :(

 

If SJSs were not so rare and I didn't get better bidding from WJSs, I might switch back. :)

 

Playing a Big Club and WJSs, I can play one Red-1M-any-2M shows 10-12HCP with a 6+M. Stopping at the two level, if partner is passing anyway is a steady source of IMPs and MPs. :)

 

Regards,

Robert

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P_Marlowe

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I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.

Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

Hi,

 

4S says also, p is minimum, not surprising.

Now use RKCB and King Ask, wich will give

you the chance to discover AKQ of spades

and AK of hearts.

Most likely you wont need the Queen

of spade, because if partner does not have

the queen he should have a 7 carder.

 

Marlowe

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bearmum

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[hv=d=s&v=n&s=s32hq84dak92cakq4]133|100|Scoring: MP

1C - 2S - ?[/hv]

 

Playing SAYC. And playing it fairly standard. 2♠ is game forcing, obviously

FIRST - playing SAYC why did U not open 1♦? (cos over a 1 level response u can bid 2NT to show 18-20)

 

BUT having decided to open 1♣ ---over a GF 2♠ --(which IMHO SHOULD show 16+ or 15+ AND a GREAT ♠suit) -- I NOW reverse to 3♦ --telling P I have17+ points[or should it be 18+ in SAYC?] and little support for his ♠s?

 

Guess if he NOW rebids ♠ I will RKCB BECAUSE the rebid says "I have a SELF SUFFICIENT ♠ suit "( I think it's AKQxxxxx at the least and should also have AK♥) -- so ALL I need to find out is DOES he have the AK♥ as well as the AKQ ♠ on the way to a slam -- and then I decide the FINAL contract

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P_Marlowe

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I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.

Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

Abstain. I refuse to answer questions where I'm forced to bid after a really silly auction. What the hell is 4♠ ?

4S = Minimum jump shift, with a suit playable for

one looser opposite a void.

 

Marlowe

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hrothgar

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I'll just bid 3♦. There is a case for bidding 2NT, since it keeps bidding lower, but I find 3♦ more descriptive. Depending on what pard does now, I'll decide whether to go for a grand or not.

3♦ is a very descriptive

Sadly, it doesn't describe this hand...

 

You're promising 5+ Clubs and 4+ Diamonds, and strongly suggesting 1=3=4=5 or 1=2=4=6 shape.

 

This is an EASY 2NT bid

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hrothgar

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I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.

Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

Just bid 4NT as Blackwood after 4♠

 

If partner has 1 Ace, bid 6NT

If partner has 2 Aces, bid 7NT

 

At the worst, 7NT is on a hook.

There are too many odd cards like the Jack of Clubs or the Queen of Diamonds that will make 7 golden and you aren't going to be able to make an intelligent decision playing this system...

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luis

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I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.

Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

Abstain. I refuse to answer questions where I'm forced to bid after a really silly auction. What the hell is 4♠ ?

4S = Minimum jump shift, with a suit playable for

one looser opposite a void.

 

Marlowe

I strongly refuse to play this horrible treatment. You have a strong hand, pd has a strong hand, the opponents don't bid and you have to preempt your own pd? Quite silly.

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pclayton

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2N for now, although I can anticipate that our problem will be when partner raises to 3N. Does pard have a chunky 15? Or a semi-balanced 18?

 

Soloway JS's are nice for these auctions, although they are hardly SAYC.

 

I have a lot of respect for Richard's 4N bash as a result of the foreseeable problems down the road with 2N.

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Gerben42

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You have a strong hand, pd has a strong hand, the opponents don't bid and you have to preempt your own pd? Quite silly.

 

This is the whole point of strong jump shifts, to impress the opponents with your superior strength by jumping around. It is only fitting to jump again with a strong opening hand.

 

(yes I know there are some advantages to SJS)

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Finch

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I would have opened 1D.

I assume 1C was systemic with this shape, and now I rebid 2NT over 2S. I have a balanced hand, I should tell partner that.

 

Over his 4S call, 7NT seems blatantly obvious, but I suppose I could go round the houses with 4NT (RKCB in spades) first. A solid spade suit and nothing outside is not a strong jump shift, and in my mind neither is a solid spade suit with no outside ace, but I'm prepared to give a little leeway.

 

If partner thinks AKQJxxx xx xx xx is a strong jump shift, we just need to discuss methods.

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P_Marlowe

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I'm in favor of 2N, which is what I bid at the table.

Pard rebids 4♠, which is a fully autonomous suit.

Abstain. I refuse to answer questions where I'm forced to bid after a really silly auction. What the hell is 4♠ ?

4S = Minimum jump shift, with a suit playable for

one looser opposite a void.

 

Marlowe

I strongly refuse to play this horrible treatment. You have a strong hand, pd has a strong hand, the opponents don't bid and you have to preempt your own pd? Quite silly.

You dont need to play Soloway jumb shifts,

there are other reasonable treatments around.

But calling the above convention silly, is a little

harsh, I would suggest you discuss this with Paul

Soloway, I am sure, you know him personally.

 

With kind reards

Marlowe

 

PS: Of course you may also discuss it with people reponsible for BWS,

because Soloway jumb shifts is part of BWS.

PS: Openers hand is quite narroly defined, and

you have still room to find out about the rest.

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P_Marlowe

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I would have opened 1D.

I assume 1C was systemic with this shape, and now I rebid 2NT over 2S. I have a balanced hand, I should tell partner that.

 

Over his 4S call, 7NT seems blatantly obvious, but I suppose I could go round the houses with 4NT (RKCB in spades) first. A solid spade suit and nothing outside is not a strong jump shift, and in my mind neither is a solid spade suit with no outside ace, but I'm prepared to give a little leeway.

 

If partner thinks AKQJxxx xx xx xx is a strong jump shift, we just need to discuss methods.

No, AKQJxxx xx xx xx is not a strong jumb shift,

but AKQJxxxx Kxx xx x is, i.e. he may not have the

Ace of heart, but then he should have the King.

 

Marlowe

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whereagles

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I'll just bid 3♦. There is a case for bidding 2NT, since it keeps bidding lower, but I find 3♦ more descriptive. Depending on what pard does now, I'll decide whether to go for a grand or not.

3♦ is a very descriptive

Sadly, it doesn't describe this hand...

 

You're promising 5+ Clubs and 4+ Diamonds, and strongly suggesting 1=3=4=5 or 1=2=4=6 shape.

 

This is an EASY 2NT bid

Well, that's your opinion on the matter. I guess we disagree on that.

 

The idea of bidding 3♦ is not only to show shape but also extras. I believe such bid should show extras, like a usual reverse. But even if 3♦ was purely a shape-describing bid, I would still bid it like this because my feeling tells me 2NT is not right on this hand.

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awm

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I'm not sure why partner couldn't rebid 3♠ to give me room to explore. Anyways, I will assume that:

 

(1) Partner has seven spades.

(2) Partner doesn't think that seven solid spades and out is a strong jump shift.

 

I'll try 4NT (rkc) and if partner shows three keycards and the queen (as I expect) I will bid 7NT expecting 7♠+1♥+2♦+3♣. If partner has only two keycards, I will assume a hand like:

 

AKQJxxx

Kxx

Qx

x

 

I think this qualifies for a strong jump, although I would rebid 3♠ over 2NT of course. I can't really construct a hand without the ♥K on which I'd make a strong jump shift.

 

Anyways I will bid 6NT if partner shows only two keycards.

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mikeh

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I join those who open 1♦, but fortunately that issue is now irrelevant on the bidding.

 

I join those who rebid 2N. This allows responder to clarify his bid. I am NOT worried that he will rebid 3N with short stopperless ♥: that would not be much of a description.

 

I join those surprised by 4♠, but that's ok if it truly shows a no loser suit: I cannot imagine it showing less, since 3♠ was available: AKQJxx is the minimum, and I would expect him to try for NT with that, so a 7th ♠ seems logical.

 

So, in keeping with my theme for this post, I join in 4N keycard: it is keycard in ♠ on this sequence. However, I do not just bid 7NT opposite the appropriate number of keycards: I will ask for the Q just in case he thinks AKJxxxx AKx xx x justifies his bidding. I will risk grand if he owns to 3 keycards and the ♠Q.

 

And after the session, if we are going to play again, I'd suggest we discuss these auctions to ensure that we are on the same wavelength in future.

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