Your bid ?

[whereagles]

4♦ for me. Having made the slight overbid of 3♥, I'm going to try and put the breaks. If pard insists with 5♦, he'll buy a good dummy. If he passes 4♦, I'm ok with it.

[Guest Jlall]

3H. Xing with 5 card support, 3 card majors, club voids, and little defense has never worked out for me here, very curious. Sometimes we will get too high this way, but so be it.

[Winstonm]

Great problem hand.

 

I think I'm going for 4D. I'm not interested in defending so I don't double. While 4D in all likelihood loses the heart suit, I'm not so sure I want to play a 5/3 fit and take immediate taps anyway. Maybe I can get lucky and have partner bid 4H on the way to 5D if he holds a good hand - doubtful though.

 

Hard hand. Just taking my best guess.

 

Winston

[mikeh]

X is GF on this situation, so it is not better than 3♥.

 

between 3♦ and 3♥ I am happy with 3♦,  if we have double fit, they will also do, ,and it won't matter much if we play in 5♦ or 5♥ over 4♠ or 5♣

Double is only gf if it is penalty: 3♣ x is game :(

 

Partner's 3Major is non-forcing. I cannot imagine playing negative doubles any other way (I played negative free bids for a while and strongly dislike them, even if they would apply at this level). Standard neg doubles are certainly not gf in this part of the world.

[han]

This is what I think about the possible bids:

 

The double is not GF and is truly awful.

 

3D is not invitational and a huge underbid imo.

 

All other options are overbids so I might as well introduce my hearts: 3♥.

 

After the 3NT bid and the double by partner I have the chance to show exactly what I have by bidding 4D: a light, very distributional hand. The only problem with 4D is that 3NTX might just be a good score, but partner will forgive me for my cowardly but seemingly right pull.

[Kalvan14]

3N by LHO, and double by pard? I believe I do know LHO :( And pleeeease don't tell me 3N is bid to make.

5♦. Pard is showing some extras (why doubling 3N otherwise?), but likely he has values in clubs (otherwise the risk is to get 300 only as penalty). With 4 hearts, and extras I would expect pard to clarify his hands, and show the fit. If we have 8 hearts and 9 or 10 diamonds, I do prefer playing in diamonds

[mike777]

OK, thanks all for the responses but let's go a little further in the auction.

 

Suppose you bid 3♥ which was the bid chosen at the table, you hear :

 

1♦ - (3♣) - 3♥ - (3NT)

X - (P) - ???

 

To you ...

No surprise that LHO has bid as I said before. Now 4clubs by me...I am really glad I could start out with limiting my hand with 3D, now I can show supermax hand with cuebid at 4 level. Since partner has now shown more than a minimum with X, I can now force to game. Over 4d rebid by partner I will bid 5d. 4h by partner will be rkc and 4s by partner will be cuebid.

[HeartA]

No surprise that LHO has bid as I said before. Now 4clubs by me...I am really glad I could start out with limiting my hand with 3D, now I can show supermax hand with cuebid at 4 level. Since partner has now shown more than a minimum with X, I can now force to game. Over 4d rebid by partner  I will bid 5d. 4h by partner will be rkc and 4s by partner will be cuebid.

Mike,

 

To bid 3D and then cue-bid 4C is an IMPOSSIBLE sequence to me, because 3D could be passed out, while 4C is (almost) game forcing.

[mike777]

No surprise that LHO has bid as I said before. Now 4clubs by me...I am really glad I could start out with limiting my hand with 3D, now I can show supermax hand with cuebid at 4 level. Since partner has now shown more than a minimum with X, I can now force to game. Over 4d rebid by partner  I will bid 5d. 4h by partner will be rkc and 4s by partner will be cuebid.

Mike,

 

To bid 3D and then cue-bid 4C is an IMPOSSIBLE sequence to me, because 3C could be passed out, while 4C is (almost) game forcing.

Yes 3d can be passed out..you could have balanced 11-13 hcp yes? RHO could make a funny wjo with a good hand, and LHO is an unpassed hand.

 

Now when you(partner) make a bid over 3nt you must have extra's yes? I revalue my hand and make a 4club cuebid.....well that was my thinking anyway.....

 

As Roth may say about my 3D bid...if I can just get past this round.....:) I and really think the odds are on my side it will not go 3d..p..p.p

[Fluffy]

Partner's 3Major is non-forcing. I cannot imagine playing negative doubles any other way (I played negative free bids for a while and strongly dislike them, even if they would apply at this level). Standard neg doubles are certainly not gf in this part of the world.

Idon't mean that all neg doubles are GF, but when a negative double expects partner to bid 3NT on a minimum balanced, then it is GF. for example if he has...

 

Kxx

xxx

A10xx

KQx

 

He will bid 3NT for sure, and stopping in 3M is just so unlikelly that playing GF will help partner to bid when he has 4M and strong hand or stopper.

[Fluffy]

If I'd bid 3♥ I would have pain after this auction, I wonder if the double of partner really means anything, he can double wwith minimum, maximum, support or anything, I feel confused :)

 

I would tend to think he has good ♣s, let's pass then.

[Kalvan14]

If I'd bid 3♥ I would have pain after this auction, I wonder if the double of partner really means anything, he can double wwith minimum, maximum, support or anything, I feel confused :rolleyes:

 

I would tend to think he has good ♣s, let's pass then.

There are too many clubs in this deck: LHO must have a fit in clubs for sure.

No way I am going to pass and defend 3N.

[joker_gib]

Thanks everyone for the replies !

 

Very interesting hand in many points, isn't it ?

 

I was kibitzing that hand where two of my regular partners were playing together.

 

The hands were something like :

 

[hv=d=s&v=n&n=sktxhktxxxdq9xxxc&w=sxxhjxxdkcqt9xxxx&e=sqxxxxhaxxdatxckx&s=sajxhqxdjxxxcajxx]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

And it went :

 

1♦ (3♣) 3♥ (3NT)

X (P) 4♦ (P)

4♥ (P) 5♦

 

For down one.

 

Alain

[P_Marlowe]

Thanks everyone for the replies !

 

Very interesting hand in many points, isn't it ?

 

I was kibitzing that hand where two of my regular partners were playing together.

 

The hands were something like :

 

[hv=d=s&v=n&n=sktxhktxxxdq9xxxc&w=sxxxhxxdkcqt9xxxx&e=sqxxxhaxxxdatxckx&s=sajxhqxdjxxxcajxx]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv]

 

And it went :

 

1♦ (3♣) 3♥ (3NT)

X (P) 4♦ (P)

4♥ (P) 5♦

 

For down one.

 

Alain

Hi,

 

I dont understand the given seq.,

did South knew that North did hold

only two card support for hearts?

 

If you bid 3H, which is ok, you should

pass 4H, afterall that's what you wanted

to hear.

 

4H would not have played better, but that's

not the discussion here.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[joker_gib]

I agree but north "knew" that 4♥ was likely from 2 cards (because no direct support) and as his ♥'s are not fantastic he prefered to go back to ♦ with a sure 9 cards fit.

 

Alain

[Fluffy]

Someone trully must have ♥J and 9 :)

[Fluffy]

If I'd bid 3♥ I would have pain after this auction, I wonder if the double of partner really means anything, he can double wwith minimum, maximum, support or anything, I feel confused :)

 

I would tend to think he has good ♣s, let's pass then.

There are too many clubs in this deck: LHO must have a fit in clubs for sure.

No way I am going to pass and defend 3N.

1 point for me :), I guess I understand french guys better hehe, they were french, weren't them Alain?

[joker_gib]

Someone trully must have ♥J and 9 :)

I corrected the hand : ♥ were 3-3 with J onside.

 

I don't know where was the ♥9 anymore :)

[joker_gib]

If I'd bid 3♥ I would have pain after this auction, I wonder if the double of partner really means anything, he can double wwith minimum, maximum, support or anything, I feel confused :)

 

I would tend to think he has good ♣s, let's pass then.

There are too many clubs in this deck: LHO must have a fit in clubs for sure.

No way I am going to pass and defend 3N.

1 point for me :), I guess I understand french guys better hehe, they were french, weren't them Alain?

:)

 

They were Belgian ! :P

 

But we play something really near SEF with ♦/4 most of the time.

 

Don't you play something similar in Spain Gonzalo ?

 

We often have the same opinions, so .... :)

 

Alain

[han]

You often have the same opinion as Fluffy, and you are willing to admit it in public??

 

Wow, that shows courage! :)

[Al_U_Card]

I guess overbidding is always more attractive than underbidding as it tends to scare the opps into silence or over-bidding. :lol:

 

In either case, after a 3D bid, LHO might have been more reluctant to chance 3NT but it was most certainly predicated on the expectation of at least 6 C tricks. After 3D by me, a dbl of 3NT gets left in (pard knows my hand and our H tricks will score well in NT if pard has C under control).

 

What if LHO bids 3S after my 3D call? Any conjecture as to the rest of the auction?

[Fluffy]

They were Belgian ! :lol:

Doh!, not again!

 

I once made themistake to call french a belgian on this forums (kgr) and I suspect he has hated me ever since. If I didn't apologice for that before, now I do it. Please forgive me.

 

When I learnt bridge I learnt french standard wich had recently got through the 'Pirineos' (dunno how you say it in english nor french). I remember weak 2s was almost a crazy artificial convention for many of the players I faced at my beginning :P.

[kgr]

They were Belgian !  :lol:

Doh!, not again!

 

I once made themistake to call french a belgian on this forums (kgr) and I suspect he has hated me ever since. If I didn't apologice for that before, now I do it. Please forgive me.

...how do you say that?...call french a belgian or call a Belgian French...? ... Anyway, I'm Belgian...Flemish; this is Dutch speaking...I don't mind if you would think that I'm French, but never think that because I'm Dutch speaking that I'm Dutch :P

[joker_gib]

You often have the same opinion as Fluffy, and you are willing to admit it in public??

 

Wow, that shows courage! :P

LOL

[joker_gib]

'Pirineos' (dunno how you say it in english nor french).

In french : Pyrénées

 

In english : The Pyrenees

 

:P