pbleighton Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Playing 2/1, opps silent, would you interpret any of these auctions as slow arrival, with extra values and slam interest: 1) 1S-2C-2NT2) 1S-2C-2D-2NT3) 1S-2C-3C4) 1S-2C-4C5) 1S-2C-2D-3D6) 1S-2C-2D-4D If not, are they just searching for the right contract? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Playing 2/1, opps silent, would you interpret any of these auctions as slow arrival, with extra values and slam interest: 1) 1S-2C-2NT2) 1S-2C-2D-2NT3) 1S-2C-3C4) 1S-2C-4C5) 1S-2C-2D-3D6) 1S-2C-2D-4D If not, are they just searching for the right contract? Peter Firstly, I would like to say that I am not an expert in 2/1, so my opinion may not count for much. Secondly, I am not a big fan of fast arrival before partner has limited his hand. Thirdly, I believe that after 1M 2m, opener shouldn't bid above 2M with a minimum. So... 1) 1S-2C-2NT. I like this to be 15-17 (with 18-19 rebid 3NT; with 12-14 rebid 2S). However, I think that "standard" is to have 3NT be 15-17, so 1NT is 12-14 OR 18-19. 2) 1S-2C-2D-2NT. I think this is simply showing something like 2-3-3-5. I don't think it necessarily shows much slam interest. The difference between 2NT and 3NT is that 3NT says "I really believe this is the place to play", so no real slam interest and strong hearts (eg KQJ). 2NT offers partner the chance to bid 3C with a singleton heart, or to rebid his spades etc, etc. 3) 1S-2C-3C. I think this should show extras. 4) 1S-2C-4C. Almost slam forcing! Asks partner to cuebid. 5) 1S-2C-2D-3D. Just bidding out shape. Maybe wants to see if opener can bid 3NT repeat spades or support clubs before committing to diamonds. 6) 1S-2C-2D-4D. Very strong, probably 6 clubs and 5 diamonds (or 4 very good diamonds). Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRG Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Playing 2/1, opps silent, would you interpret any of these auctions as slow arrival, with extra values and slam interest: 1) 1S-2C-2NT2) 1S-2C-2D-2NT3) 1S-2C-3C4) 1S-2C-4C5) 1S-2C-2D-3D6) 1S-2C-2D-4D If not, are they just searching for the right contract? Peter In my 2/1 partnerships, (4) and (6) do not exist. When playing fast arrival, "fast arrival" means you KNOW what the contract should be and bid the game directly. None of your auctions meets the criterion for slow vs fast arrival. Even if it applied, you must be careful not to fix your partner -- you might have a (sub-) minimum opening, but, for example, as opening bidder, leaping to 5 of partner's minor is silly. His hand is still unlimited and that would prevent him from using Blackwood (whatever variation you use). Here is an example of what I would call the use (or non-use) of "fast arrival": 1S - 2D; 2NT - 3S Here the 3S bid sets trumps and DENIES a (sub-) minimum 2/1 response. With a minimum and NO slam interest, responder would bid 4S instead of 3S. For what it is worth, I have abandoned "fast arrival" in most sequences with my 2/1 partners and play "Serious 3NT". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted October 5, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 John - Thanks for your reply, but I would like to clarify - Can/should you use slow/fast arrival in a strain other than the major suits? If not, how do you indicate slam interest, other than barging into Blackwood? My understanding is that Serious 3NT is only for the majors. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Playing 2/1, opps silent, would you interpret any of these auctions as slow arrival, with extra values and slam interest: 1) 1S-2C-2NT2) 1S-2C-2D-2NT3) 1S-2C-3C4) 1S-2C-4C5) 1S-2C-2D-3D6) 1S-2C-2D-4D If not, are they just searching for the right contract? Peter Let’s deal with the auctions that John suggested do not exist in his partnerships (4&6). They do exist is mine. Both are RKCB with the agreed trump suit the minor being bid at the four level. These are rare bids, but they do happen. 1S-2C-3C: I show extra values with this bid, but obviously not the monster that goes directly to RKCB. Often with support I still will not raise the minor immediately with a minimum. I also like the 2NT rebid on auction 1 to be more than a minimum, but obviously, tell me more. Same thing for auction 2 (I DO play jumps to 3NT as close to minimums for auction so far, but with a good idea that 3NT is the best spot to play the contract. If I am worried that it is not, I do not jump to 3NT even with minimum. Auction 5 I play, at least initially, as an attempt to determine if 3NT is playable (someone, after all has to stop hearts if it is). Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Hi, This is my vision of this 2/1 auctions: 1) 1S-2C-2NT Stoppers in hearts and diamonds, 5332 hand with 2/3 cards in clubs. 2) 1S-2C-2D-2NT A relay bid without spade support. First priority should be to suppoert clubs with 3 cards. Otherwise bid 3nt, 2s or 3d. 3h is an unassuming bid deniying hearts stoppers, a sixth spade, a fifth diamond or club support. I do not like 3h as showing a fragment in this sequence. 3) 1S-2C-3C 4 card support. 4) 1S-2C-4C This doesn't exist in my 2/1 methods. If I ever face this bid I'lll take it as running spades with a club singleton. Inviting a slam when responder doesn't have too much waste in clubs. 5) 1S-2C-2D-3D 4 card support, for diamonds. Stablishing a fit. Now show stoppers below 3NT and controls above 3NT. 6) 1S-2C-2D-4D Same as 4, this doesn't exist in my 2/1 methods.If I ever face this bid I'll take it as running clubs with short diamonds (self-splinter) inviting to 6 if opener has no waste in diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 Hi, This is my vision of this 2/1 auctions: 1) 1S-2C-2NT Stoppers in hearts and diamonds, 5332 hand with 2/3 cards in clubs. either 12-14 or 18-19 2) 1S-2C-2D-2NT A relay bid without spade support. First priority should be to suppoert clubs with 3 cards. Otherwise bid 3nt, 2s or 3d. 3h is an unassuming bid deniying hearts stoppers, a sixth spade, a fifth diamond or club support. I do not like 3h as showing a fragment in this sequence. 3) 1S-2C-3C 4 card support.and not min hand4) 1S-2C-4C This doesn't exist in my 2/1 methods. If I ever face this bid I'lll take it as running spades with a club singleton. Inviting a slam when responder doesn't have too much waste in clubs. agree, there should be a singlton, otherwise 3c.5) 1S-2C-2D-3D 4 card support, for diamonds. Stablishing a fit. Now show stoppers below 3NT and controls above 3NT. 6) 1S-2C-2D-4D Same as 4, this doesn't exist in my 2/1 methods.If I ever face this bid I'll take it as running clubs with short diamonds (self-splinter) inviting to 6 if opener has no waste in diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Playing 2/1, opps silent, would you interpret any of these auctions as slow arrival, with extra values and slam interest: 1) 1S-2C-2NTthis shows 12-14 or (good17)18-192) 1S-2C-2D-2NTthis is a waiting bid in our system.3) 1S-2C-3Cthis shows either extra value, or very good club fit.4) 1S-2C-4Cthis shows mild slam interest, no good for Ace asking.5) 1S-2C-2D-3Dwe have a problem here, 3D just shows fit, we can't distinguish the strength here. 6) 1S-2C-2D-4Dmild slam interest. If not, are they just searching for the right contract? Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 i agree with ben on #'s 2 and 4.. to me those are perfect rkc bids.. i hate to admit it but i play 1S : 2C : 2NT as a flattish hand with 5 spades only, but that's because i was taught that rebidding the spade suit would show a 6 (or a very good 5) card suit.. iow, 2nt is a bid i'd make if i had no other good bid handy 1) 1S-2C-2NT - above.. to me it seems like the best treatment, if only because opener has far more 5332 minimum hands than the 15+ hands others use it for.. what else can opener bid? 2) 1S-2C-2D-2NT - denying 4 hearts, denying 3 spades, suggesting stoppers in hearts.. if opener then bids 3C, i'd take his dist to be 5143 3) 1S-2C-3C - 3 card support, may or may not be interested in slam since it leaves room for cuebidding 4) 1S-2C-4C - rkc for clubs... 3NT has been bypassed, this is a g/f auction, a fit is known (meaning 5C is taken for granted), and nothing at all is lost by using it as rkc 5) 1S-2C-2D-3D - shows at least 4 card support, maybe more, and it tends to deny a stopper in hearts 6) 1S-2C-2D-4D - rkc for diamonds.. both this and # 2 are only dangerous in that 3NT has been bypassed i agree with john re: fast arrival when a hand is unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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