Echognome Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=sxhxd987xxcakqxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] What is your choice of calls as dealer? Your options are: Pass1♦: 11-15, 4+♦, unbalanced hand. Longer clubs allowed.2♣: 11-15, 6+♣, may be balanced or unbalanced, but partner will not expect 4+ diamonds.2NT: 6-10, at least 5-5 in both minors3♣: Natural Preempt in clubs Note 1♣ would be artificial 16+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Well I have the 2NT opening available, so may as well use it. Would I really bid 2NT on a 5-5 six-count at vul? It seems to me that a vulnerable 2NT should show something more like this hand, although perhaps with the minor suit honors more evenly distributed. I like to show my shape on auctions like these, even when one of the suits is weak, and 2NT shows ten cards whereas 3♣ would show only six. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 I find it close between 2NT and 2♣. what is your standard agreement to open 11-13 HCP hands with 4♦+6♣? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 I'd like to open this at the 5 level (if I can) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 2NT for me, I considered 3C and 1D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 I'd like to open this at the 5 level (if I can) You can: open 5♣ :P As for me, I'd try a bread-and-butter 2NT :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 other= 5clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Hi, 2NT, after discovering I play it.Sry, what's the point playing it, when you dont use it, you would like to heara 4 card D suit, you would like to heara preempt club raise, bid it. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 I prefer 3C, but would never bid this when NV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 5♣ for me also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Hi, 2NT, after discovering I play it.Sry, what's the point playing it, when you dont use it, you would like to heara 4 card D suit, you would like to heara preempt club raise, bid it. Marlowe Agree totally ! :) If you have the bid to show both suits bid it ! Better to involve partner in the preempt than discover he has ♦ after the unilateral bid of 5♣ ! Come on guys, bridge is a partnership game ! :) Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 2♣ for me. I really don't have 5 Diamonds, this is a 1 1/2 suiter not a 2-suiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted November 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Well you can see problem 2 for the complete hand. I'm not sure what East would have done over 2NT or 5♣, but if he acted it might have been very difficult for them to get a good score. Analyzing the hands, I believe 5♣ will make, but how much can we get out of 5♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 You have the additional advantage of the lower ranking suit being longer. 2NT (unusual) would be my choice after an initial pass and opp bids if I didn't have the 2NT toy available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 2NT, after discovering I play it.Sry, what's the point playing it, when you dont use it, you would like to heara 4 card D suit, you would like to heara preempt club raise, bid it. And how! You lose the 2NT 20-21 to not use the bid? What will pard think other than, he can't have that hand, he would have opened 2NT and then you get to the wrong spot. Didn't Mama say not to lie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted November 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 2NT, after discovering I play it.Sry, what's the point playing it, when you dont use it, you would like to heara 4 card D suit, you would like to heara preempt club raise, bid it. And how! You lose the 2NT 20-21 to not use the bid? What will pard think other than, he can't have that hand, he would have opened 2NT and then you get to the wrong spot. Didn't Mama say not to lie? In this particular system, I don't think the 2NT 20-21 bid is a loss. It's personal, but that's my view. As per using a convention just because it's on your card, I don't agree with that. That's basically saying that you cannot use any judgment. For example, if the hand were: ♠x♥x♦AQT9x♣KTxxxx I would not open it 2NT as I don't consider it a preempt. I would open it 1♦ and bid all the way up to 5♣ on my own (if bidding or vul didn't warn me otherwise). I would also prefer this since if partner has a big balanced hand, it is the only way we can bid a small or grand slam when it's right. E.g. give partner: ♠ATxx♥AJx♦Kxxx♣Ax And we could find 7♦ easily if uninterrupted. If I started with 2NT, it would be a lot harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Not so much my point as "help pard understand your hand" and use your judgement in a way that he will understand and hopefully appreciate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 2NT, after discovering I play it.Sry, what's the point playing it, when you dont use it, you would like to heara 4 card D suit, you would like to heara preempt club raise, bid it. And how! You lose the 2NT 20-21 to not use the bid? What will pard think other than, he can't have that hand, he would have opened 2NT and then you get to the wrong spot. Didn't Mama say not to lie? the gross disparity in suit quality between clubs and diamonds is a strong argument against trotting out a 2NT opening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Agree (with Richard). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 the gross disparity in suit quality between clubs and diamonds is a strong argument against trotting out a 2NT opening... Well, but you do have FIVE diamonds, not four. Five trumps is much much more resistant to forces than four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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