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[Double !]

This is really bad news for someone, but I agree with the 3-spade preference as a default. 3H would show 5+Hts, 4D & 3NT have been discussed. There is a side issue to this problem IMO. Specifically, how do people play a 2NT (and 3NT) rebid by opener after 1S-p-1N-p-? Depending on how that is played, there are inferences that opener has good suits when opener jump-shifts. So, I suspect that the stiff Q in spades will not be that much of a disappointment, and might help opener assess where tricks are coming from. Lol: another case for limited openers.

 

Have a great day all:

 

DHL

[Winstonm]

Robert: Opener will not have strong spade suits anywhere near 100% of the time.

 

Hey, Robert,

 

You may be right but the practical side I didn't mention is that the times you play in spades the Q will be adequate support.

 

If opener has jump shifted on AJ9xx, then he has to have a bunch of cards elsewhere in his hand or he will be truly 2-suited and we are playing in diamonds anyway. Worst case scenario would be something like this: AJ9xx, AQx, AKQx, x.

But he could also hold this: AKxxx, x, AKQx, Kxx.

 

However, a significant portion of the time he will hold something like:

 

AKJxxx, Axx, AKx, x.

 

Like I said, 3S is not the perfect bid but the best bid - practical and most flexible.

 

Winston

[pclayton]

3♠; pretty automatic. Nothing wrong with a forced preference with a stiff Q - at least with an intelligent pard.

 

3N without a ♥ stop is asking for trouble.

[Guest Jlall]

3S for me as well, although I've never bid this with a stiff. The wonders of standard bidding :P

[jillybean]

As requested, here is the full hand. Who said I can't pass :rolleyes:

 

[hv=d=n&v=n&n=sajt865haqdakqt2c&w=s94hkj72d874cq743&e=sk732ht53dj3ckj85&s=sqh9864d965cat962]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     1♠    Pass  1NT

 Pass  3♦    Pass  Pass

 Pass  

 

Traveller:

http://online.bridgebase.com/myhands/hands...rname=jillybean

[joker_gib]

As requested, here is the full hand. Who said I can't pass  :)

 

Dealer: North Vul: NS Scoring: IMP ♠ AJT865 ♥ AQ ♦ AKQT2 ♣ [space] ♠ 94 ♥ KJ72 ♦ 874 ♣ Q743 ♠ K732 ♥ T53 ♦ J3 ♣ KJ85 ♠ Q ♥ 9864 ♦ 965 ♣ AT962  

 

West  North East  South

 

 -     1♠    Pass  1NT

 Pass  3♦    Pass  Pass

 Pass  

 

Traveller:

http://online.bridgebase.com/myhands/hands...rname=jillybean

Look at the first auction on the traveller !

 

It solves all problems, isn't it ?

 

ROFLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLl

[Walddk]

As requested, here is the full hand. Who said I can't pass :)

Dear jb,

 

Passing a jump shift is criminal. It's GF, so once responder has bid once, she can't stop short of game (unless opps get doubled in something). You are obviously entitled to take a view, but for partnership morale I recommend that you don't pass a forcing bid.

 

It looks like the majority suggestion (3♠) would have worked very well here, but even 3NT would have led to some game.

 

I suspect opener will pull to 4♦ (showing 6-5), and responder will either correct to spades or support diamonds (5♦, or a 5♣ cue bid en route).

 

Roland

[jillybean]

Confession#23 I didn’t know a jump shift was 100% GF. If I had I am sure I would have responded 4♦.

(thinking a 4/3 fit is better than a 5/1 fit)

 

 

Jb

[mike777]

Well that is a big hand. Opening a strong 2 clubs is not unreasonable.

I do not think it is required to open every strong 2 suited hand at the one level.

[mikeh]

Well that is a big hand. Opening a strong 2 clubs is not unreasonable.

I do not think it is required to open every strong 2 suited hand at the one level.

I agree with both points, Mike, altho I would always open the posted hand 1♠. That is my style, but I accept that this could be some player's 2♣ opening. The real point is not whether this is a 1♠ or 2♣ opening, but that a jumpshift by opener may never be passed. I would rather reach a hopeless contract by honouring partnership discipline than stop in a making partscore by passing the jumpshift. Not for the result, obviously, but for the benefits that flow from creating an atmosphere of trust.

[mike777]

Well that is a big hand. Opening a strong 2 clubs is not unreasonable.

I do not think it is required to open every strong 2 suited hand at the one level.

I agree with both points, Mike, altho I would always open the posted hand 1♠. That is my style, but I accept that this could be some player's 2♣ opening. The real point is not whether this is a 1♠ or 2♣ opening, but that a jumpshift by opener may never be passed. I would rather reach a hopeless contract by honouring partnership discipline than stop in a making partscore by passing the jumpshift. Not for the result, obviously, but for the benefits that flow from creating an atmosphere of trust.

Of course. :P passing forcing bids with 6 hcp may lead to problems on some hands.

 

Give responder a hand that some players may pass 1s with?:

xxx=xxx=xxx=xxxx or

xx=xxxx=xxx=xxxx

 

and 4 spades has some play

 

give responder a huge hand such as the J or 9 of diamonds and the hand gets even better :P.

[jillybean]

Confession#23 I didn’t know a jump shift was 100% GF. If I had I am sure I would have responded 4♦.

(thinking a 4/3 fit is better than a 5/1 fit)

 

 

Jb

To add to this, if playing 'Soloway SJS' 17-18 this falls just a tad short of GF.

 

It was an indy with a pickup expert ;) so there were no agreements.

[han]

There is a big difference between a jump shift by *opener* and a jump shift by *responder*. Soloway jump shifts only apply to responder's first bid. So for example 1C-2S or 1H-3C would be Soloway jump shifts if you agree to play those.

 

Here it is opener who jumpshifts: 1S-1NT-3D, and most people play that this shows a very strong hand and is forcing to game. Responder should never pass this (or any later bid below game). It is very common for responder to retreat to opener's first suit after a jump shift and this does not show 3-card support. Here we see that the majority even bids 3S with a singleton.

 

 

Often you will find that even if you know what all the bids mean, there is no attractive bid available. You have to make a choice, so you try to make a lie that seems the least dangerous. Passing a forcing bid is very rarely an option.