Beautiful balanced rubbish

[SchTsch]

Imps, all VUL, you are dealer holding:

 

♠ 1064

♥ 1076

♦ Q954

♣ A94

 

p....p...1♣..1NT

p...2♦..2♠..3♥

?

 

1♣ is 2+♣, 2♦ jacoby

 

What do you expect from partner? Do you bid and if yes what do you bid and why?

[Winstonm]

I would expect a good 46 or possibly 56 pattern. Even then, I don't think I have enough to suggest either game or sacrifice - the only good card in my hand is the club Ace and that will take a trick on offense or defense - my shape and soft diamonds suggest defense.

 

I pass, wishing I had a different hand and could compete.

 

Winston

[Al_U_Card]

Way too many negatives to consider bidding....S is out as pard will take the tap and 4 clubs will be my bid if 3H goes back to pard and he doubles.......but I will hate it.....

[Fluffy]

They are gonna bid game for sure, I'll bid 4♣ so parnter knows better where we are, and what to lead.

 

In my agreements partner cannot have 5♠. However, if in yours he is able to have them I guess best bid is 3NT. Hopefully partner uunderstands the message.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I expect nothing, because I have a hand, which

just says: Pass, leave them alone.

 

It is not 100% clear, that they will bid game, but

bidding 3S / 4C gives them the chance to kill us,

which may be easier money.

 

Marlowe

[SchTsch]

In my agreements partner cannot have 5♠.

Pard can have 5♠ if 65

[SchTsch]

I would expect a good 46 or possibly 56 pattern.  Even then, I don't think I have enough to suggest either game or sacrifice - the only good card in my hand is the club Ace and that will take a trick on offense or defense - my shape and soft diamonds suggest defense.

Well, ♣A is the reason why I asked what do you expect from partner.

 

Partner bids six card club suit, you have the ace, and your RHO shows club stopper. You are passed hand, you already passed 1NT and he still bid 2♠ with obviously not so good club suit. Holding A9x in clubs almost guarantees that you have no club loser, but partner doesn't know that and he still bids.

[cinvent77]

Partner has 6♣ and 5♠ and is short in ♥. With only 6♣ and 4♠ partner should bid 2♥ over 2♦.

 

With the double fit and no wasted values in ♥ we may have a good save in 4♠. If one believes this analysis, then it is probably best to follow it through and bid 4♠ directly as it puts the pressure on the opponents and takes it off partner. Of course bidding 3NT would invite a save but that is trickery and forces partner to make the decision.

 

I bid 4♠.

[Fluffy]

In my agreements partner cannot have 5♠.

Pard can have 5♠ if 65

Then I can try an optimistic 3NT and hope he understands hehe

[Winstonm]

I would expect a good 46 or possibly 56 pattern.  Even then, I don't think I have enough to suggest either game or sacrifice - the only good card in my hand is the club Ace and that will take a trick on offense or defense - my shape and soft diamonds suggest defense.

Well, ♣A is the reason why I asked what do you expect from partner.

 

Partner bids six card club suit, you have the ace, and your RHO shows club stopper. You are passed hand, you already passed 1NT and he still bid 2♠ with obviously not so good club suit. Holding A9x in clubs almost guarantees that you have no club loser, but partner doesn't know that and he still bids.

This is not particularly strength showing, IMO, but shape/loser showing. I would expect parter to hold a hand such as:

 

AKJ10, xx, A, QJ109xx or KQ9xx, x, A, QJ10xxx.

 

About a 4-5 loser hand with good secondary clubs. Altough we may make 4C on hand 1 we may also defeat 3H and surely will defeat 4H, and the second hand has handling problems with heart forces. But the main reason I don't bid is so as to not encourage partner to take a phantom save - I feel this hand is extrememly unlikely to produce a double game swing - but it could so I have some sympathy for a 4C bid - just not what I would elect to do.

 

Winston

[Robert]

hello Fluffy

 

I am passing for now.

 

I do not see why the other pair will normally bid game. You are looking at six HCPs and partner did open and reverse 'in front' of a NT overcall. I expect that we are more likely to hold a slight edge in the HCPs than the other pair will have the extra values.

 

Even if they hold a combined 21-22HCP(unlikely in this auction, as partner did reverse) that is far short of a normal 4H contract. Your Ace is also behind the 1NT bidders club holding.

 

Regards,

Robert

[beatrix45]

:( 4♣

This situation is a classic candidate for application of Mike Lawrence's FTL analysis. Partner shows 4-6, 5-5 (OK, I do this which makes me strange) or maybe (on a good day) 5-6 in the black suits. Therefore, our trick taking capacity appears to be at least: 13-3-??? depending on how many working HCP we have. It really looks like we ought to have 17-20 working HCP's, so our trick taking limit is probably 9 or 10. Their limit also figures to be 9 or 10 tricks as well. LOTT = 18 trumps plus (maybe) a secondary suit fit = about 19 plus or minus.

 

My plan is try to buy the hand with 4♣ with the hope partner has the right hand to slide with 4♠ over 4♥. I'm not bidding spades in case partner is 4-6 in the blacks.

 

There are way too many tricks in this hand to sell out just yet, and guess what?? I am just the person who knows what to do. So, DO IT.

[SchTsch]

A question for all passers:

 

You pass, your LHO bids 4♥, it goes pass pass to you. Now what?

[Free]

4♠ for me (not waiting for them to bid 4♥). The small 3-card ♥ is great imo, since p is short. I also have some ♣ values and a decent ♦Qxxx. Let opps find out if they have to go to 5♥ or not, but do it immediatly :D

[Fluffy]

hello Fluffy

 

I am passing for now.

 

I do not see why the other pair will normally bid game. You are looking at six HCPs and partner did open and reverse 'in front' of a NT overcall. I expect that we are more likely to hold a slight edge in the HCPs than the other pair will have the extra values.

 

Even if they hold a combined 21-22HCP(unlikely in this auction, as partner did reverse) that is far short of a normal 4H contract. Your Ace is also behind the 1NT bidders club holding.

 

Regards,

Robert

Just because it is a double fit hand. And double fit hands often belong to the 5 level. So introducing to the 4 level is hardly wrong.

[Winstonm]

A question for all passers:

 

You pass, your LHO bids 4♥, it goes pass pass to you. Now what?

If I didn't bid before I'm certainly not bidding now. Pass and lead a spade.

 

Winston

[JSilver]

I'm passing. If LHO passes, I expect partner will bid again if he is 5-6 with values concentrated in the black suits. If not, I'll let them have their partial. If LHO bids game, I'll try 5♣.

[SchTsch]

This is the whole board:

 

[hv=d=w&v=b&n=sa9hq9842dj1083c53&w=s1064h1076dq954ca94&e=skq732hda2cqj10762&s=sj85hakj53dk76ck8]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

[Fluffy]

Unfair, people at 5♣ or 4♠ will make both game hehe.

[Winstonm]

An interesting hand. The assessment was correct that the opponents cannot make game so a double game swing was out; however, the balanced nature of the opponents' hands allow 4S to make. Tough decision. Either a 4th spade or the King of diamonds would have swayed me to bid.

 

Winston

[beatrix45]

This is the whole board:

 

Dealer: West Vul: Both Scoring: IMP

♠ A9 ♥ Q9842 ♦ J1083 ♣ 53 ♠ 1064 ♥ 1076 ♦ Q954 ♣ A94 ♠ KQ732 ♥ [space] ♦ A2 ♣ QJ10762 ♠ J85 ♥ AKJ53 ♦ K76 ♣ K8

:) Another conformation that good bidding is a partnership affair. Once "beatiful, balanced rubbish" makes the correct call of 4♣, his/her side should end in either a makable 4♠ (if partner bids spades again on the way to 5♣) or a makable 5♣. Of course, neither contract is certain to make or even to be the very best spot; it depends on the placement of the opponents' high cards - no spade ruff (how many hearts can they make then?) and the club king onside (a 2 to 1 favourite on the bidding). However, the opponents may bid again, 5♥ or misdefend or, as was the case, the cards lie tolerably well for us.

 

Still, we have a 19 trick hand, so bidding 4♠ or 5♣ figures, at worst, to be a good insurance policy.