microcap Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=saq42hdqj10987c432]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] You are second hand---RHO opens 2♥, alerted as at least 5♥ and another 5 card suit 6-11 points. Do you act? Please come back later after you post and I will give you the denouement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Tricky hand. I think I have to pass, but 6-4 shape with values in the long suits and a heart void make me far from certain that this is the best choice. But both double and 3♦ are supremely unappealing, so I go with pass and perhaps come in later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Pass. You are too weak to act in the direct seat, even with a 6-4. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Pass is the disciplined call, but how are you going to feel when it goes 4♥ on your left, passed back to you? You have great suit texture and side ♠ suit. Of course, I won't like 3♦ (4♥) x P either :D This is very, very close and maybe I am being braver (more foolish?) on paper than I would at the table, but I am voting for 3♦. I think that this is the winning bid more often than not. I fall back on the dictum that the partner who is short in the opps' suit should be the one to stretch. I would not be surprised to learn that I have created a nightmare :) BTW, thx for the ♦98: without which I would pass B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microcap Posted November 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 My memory failed me--when I went to check, the♦ suit was only QJ10432, not 987. So I am granting Mike the right to change his mind and pass originally, though still with reservations. JW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 My memory failed me--when I went to check, the♦ suit was only QJ10432, not 987. So I am granting Mike the right to change his mind and pass originally, though still with reservations. JWThanks:))) While the difference may seem subtle, I don't mind playing 3♦ doubled opposite Kxx Qxxxx x Axx with LHO holding AK432 of trump I do mind if he holds AK987 :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 passhaving played a system where we play two suited weak twos people who tend to bid with nothing do get lucky once in awhile but they also go for numbers :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microcap Posted November 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Since all have passed the hand (as did Rex), I will go to part 2 quickly, then maybe part 3 LOL The best bridge problems always have more than one part!! LOL B) :D As Mike predicted, LHO bids 4♥, partner passes, RHO passes, now back to you. Do you act? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 3D. I have a normal 2 level overcall,a bit light, but thats is. The 6th card and the intermediate cardsare enough compensation. Marlowe PS: With QJ10432 in diamonds, the callgets a bit dubious, but still I would make the call, and I stand to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Since all have passed the hand (as did Rex), I will go to part 2 quickly, then maybe part 3 LOL The best bridge problems always have more than one part!! LOL B) :D As Mike predicted, LHO bids 4♥, partner passes, RHO passes, now back to you. Do you act? No. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Since all have passed the hand (as did Rex), I will go to part 2 quickly, then maybe part 3 LOL The best bridge problems always have more than one part!! LOL :) B) As Mike predicted, LHO bids 4♥, partner passes, RHO passes, now back to you. Do you act?No. The time to be a hero was over 2♥. Passing and bidding is insane: I don't care if it works: if a partner of mine did it, he or she would no longer be a partner of mine: my heart can't stand playing with Superman or any other caped crusader. If I was forced to do something other than pass, I'd bid 4♠. That's how insane 5♦ is: 4♠ (an absurd bid that could be justified only by a magic dummy)is better than 5♦:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrix45 Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 :D Dbl. All other calls (except 3♦) ZERO. I expect to hear 4♥ on my left no matter what I do. If I pass, we are likely done bidding. I am guessing that 4♥ will make most of the time despite a horrible trump stack. Positioning myself to defend with a hand that has less than one and one-half defensive tricks and six winners makes no sense to me. If I double and partner has spades, we should be OK. If partner has a good club suit, that's OK too with the heart ruffs coming in the short hand. If partner passes, so can I. If partner doubles 4♥, I am going to have to bid 5♦ and hope for the best. If I bid 3♦, I will lose the spade suit unless I slide with 4♠ when 4♥ comes around to me. Bidding that way is too exciting for me. Now, let's consider what Mike's FTL analysis tells us. With the outstanding high cards split evenly, we figure to take 11 tricks: 13 - 2 (pard's doubleton) - 0 (20 working points). It might be only ten, if pard has wasted heart honors or is the lesser of the two unheard from hands. GOTTA BID What about LOTT? I can see nine diamonds, nine hearts, a two suit fit and a void. That would be 20 tricks for my baseline estimate (of course it could be less, but it might just as likely be more). GOTTA BID As far as what to do over a hypothetical 4♥ -Pass - Pass - ???, I think sheer consistency requires that I make a second really hopeless bid, maybe 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Double. Do I hear anyone saying "I only have 9 hcp"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Pass. Don't look for 4 - 4 fits, they won't be breaking anyway.3♦ or nothing at all, this hand: nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Pass too ! Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microcap Posted November 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Since Rex is about to leave on vacation, i will post part 3 of the problem now. Feel free to answer parts one and two as well if you haven't already. You hold:[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sj3h543dak10ckj954]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] The auction goes: LHO- 2♥, Partner passes, RHO jumps to 4♥, you pass, LHO passes, now Partner doubles. Do you bid or let it sit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Hi, since partners dbl is penalty, we know he doesnt have one,but in theory at least, the double is penalty, and since I havetwo defencive tricks in diamond (??? should I know that partner has a 6 carder)and one likely in clubs, I pass. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Partner's double is not penalty but convertable. With 2.5 defensive tricks I pass, seems dangerous though with 5 - 5 hand around. Bidding is also dangerous with said 5 - 5 hand with opps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrix45 Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 LHO- 2♥, Partner passes, RHO jumps to 4♥, you pass, LHO passes, now Partner doubles. Do you bid or let it sit? :) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Student: Sir, how do I bid this hand?Teacher: Under an alias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Give me ♦K and I woudl still pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Dbl initially (I do have 4 nice S and can live with a 3C bid (sort of). and when 4H is bid on my left, pass (if pard doubles I will start preparing my excuses) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 the double almost has to be penalty i think.. why didn't he double 2H for takeout? i have an easy pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microcap Posted November 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Here is Rex's logic, in his own words so I cannot be accused of misquoting him (like he usually does...) "I am not strong enough to act directly because partner will infer I have more general strength than this. After the auction gets to 4H I have another decision. I voted foraction as it has three ways to win: 1> you have a real penalty oriented hand, pass and we set them(least likely and with my void worrying) 2> they have a cold game andwe take a good sac 3> we have the cold game and find it after I double; the odds of us having a fit went up when they>bounced into 4H. I am unsure who can make what BUT with three ways that we might win this seems OK. Having you pass and choose to defend without a trump trick was not one of the three ways to win that I think areavailable.> > :-) > > My problem with the 3D overcall is that I feel it shows> around 14-15> > HCP. The hand I held shades that promise by about 1.5> tricks, which I think is too much. Partner may now make a wrong decision re bidding game or defending." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Rex had a possible 5♦ reopening, double is penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 X is penalties, but when you hold 3 trumps don't you think partner might have a heart void and very few values? Rightly or wrongly I would bid 5C over partner's X with xxx in hearts and I really don't think it's hard to deduce that the X is not based on a trump stack, but rather a void. Yes, yes, partner should have bid with a void the first time or shut up forever, but we shouldn't make him pay for his mistake. Given our hand, he's done very well to reopen so we shouldn't punish him. To the original question, I would pass then pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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