luke warm Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 how would you play the 3D bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 I voted for other because Adam and I play Gazilli, so that's a diamond sign-off. Otherwise, I don't really know what it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 arend and i were playing it and we'd never discussed it but decided natural invitational but i got to thinking and was afraid he'd take it as a splinter... so was wondering what consensus was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 1) natural and invite with no discussion2) BART with discussion 6+ and weak. Invite hands start with a forcing 2D relay rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 It depends a lot on your general agreements. For example: Playing 2/1 or BBO Advanced, no other agreements, I would assume natural and invitational. There's no other way to show such a hand, since 2♦ would be weaker and you'd need a game force to start with a 2/1 call. Playing 2/1 with invitational jumps (popular among expert players), a direct 3♦ would've been natural and invitational. Since that's not a possible hand type, this sequence should be a splinter for clubs. Playing 2/1 with some sort of BART, most good hands would start with 2♦ (artificial) and a direct 3♦ would be weak. This also applies if, like Elianna and me, you play some sort of Gazilli 2♣. Playing any system where 2/1s aren't unilaterally game forcing, you could start with 2♦ on an invitational hand with diamonds, so I'd take this as a splinter for clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 If you are playing 2/1, natural and invitational is the standard meaning - should be a good 6 card suit. Playing Standard American, this bid doesn't exist, unless a partnership says it does. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 I think it depends on if you are playing 2/1 95% gf or 100% gf. If it is 100% gf, then you must have a bid for the invitational hand with a diamond suit, so 3D has to be natural and invitational. If you play responder's suit rebid as invitational, then 3D cannot be a real suit and it should be splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 natural and invitational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 I think it depends on if you are playing 2/1 95% gf or 100% gf. If it is 100% gf, then you must have a bid for the invitational hand with a diamond suit, so 3D has to be natural and invitational. If you play responder's suit rebid as invitational, then 3D cannot be a real suit and it should be splinter. Hongjun, where are you now? drop me an email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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