Road to peak

[adhoc3]

[hv=d=n&v=b&n=sat43h92dk7ca7542&w=s2hkqjt543d65ct86&e=s98765h76d92cqj93&s=skqjha8daqjt843ck]399|300|Scoring: IMP

1♣--(P)--1♦--(2♥)

P----(P)--3♥

3♠--------4♥

4♠--------5♦

6♦//

 

Need to find ♠A ♣A and ♦K to reach 7.

 

For some reason west didnot bid 3♥, what if he did?

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[mike777]

assuming lho bids 3h then:

north passes( showing some minimum hand hopefully)

and south bids 4nt.... Other option would be 4h being Kickback RKC for D not a general cuebid! If kickback north can show 3 keycards. etc.

Hopefully 4nt is old fashion blackwood but open to debate.

over 5h=2

then 5nt=grand slam try

6d=K of d hopefully

7d

[Winstonm]

Don't know your system, but in mine using Walsh-style responding:

 

1C-P-1D-2H(3H)

P-P-2(3)S-P

3(4)S-P-4N*-P

5H-P-5N*-P *Specific King ask

6D-P-7D-P

p-p

 

However, my parter - Al Rothenstein - would never open the North hand, so our auction would be much harder. But I saw Justin Lall in the junior world championships bid this way with a similar yet weaker hand so it can't be far off....

 

P-P-1D-2H(3H)

X-P-4N*-P Keycard for diamonds

5D*-P-7D-P *0-3

P-P

 

Winston

[Robert]

Hello everyone

 

Nicely bid Winstonm and Jlall.

 

Winstonm, you matched the bidding of a world champion, well done.

 

Hi Winstonm

 

Is your partner allowed to show specific kings in suits higher than the agreed(?) suit(Ds?)? What would he bid holding 0-1 small diamonds and Kx in hearts?

 

Hi Mike777 That 4H Kickback meaning might need some very firm agreements in an auction including a 2H(3H) preempt and a 'possible' 4H 'cuebid meaning.

 

I do sometimes exchange the H cuebid meaning with 4NT* and use 4H* as Kickback, however, that meaning is not completely clear to me here.

 

Partner never 'agreed' diamonds, so that 4H bid might be a singleton or even 'void' showing.

 

How would you bid the hand holding KQJ void AQxxxxx Kxx ? 4H* Kickback would not give you much useful information 'if' partner holds wasted heart values.

 

5H exclusion might be a bit much 'if' partner has wasted heart cards. Partner's void or singleton 'x' diamond holding might also prove a problem in either a 6D or a 7D contract.

 

In your sugested followup auction 4NT-5H-5NT* is often played as a general grand slam try, however, most people play partner's 6D bid is a sign off.

 

He does not have whatever it is that you need to bid the slam. What would he bid without the Diamond king? He cannot bid 6Cs beause he does not have the club king. Showing his 'wasted' heart king might put you much too high.

 

Your bidding higher after a 6D 'sign off' might not build future partnership confidence.

 

Was partner supposed to bid 6Hs holding the Kx of hearts and a singleton or void in diamonds? Or just sign off in 6Ds, if he did not hold the diamond king?

 

Regards,

Robert

[mike777]

In general playing kickback, then you need to just assume these bids are kickback at the 4 level in my experience. Yes, that means you are giving up showing your void at 4 level. If you want to bid something else with void ok, but once you bid D then assume 4h =ace ask. Yes, that means with D as trumps and void in hearts you need to just assume p will not have ace of hearts or bid something else. Good luck.

 

BTW sometimes you can set up Kickback to be exclusion 100% but I think not on this auction over 3h by LHO.

[Robert]

Hello Mike777

 

My experience leans in exactly the opposite direction. Playing 4H* as always being Kickback 'without' suit agreement leaves my example hand unbiddable in your methods.

 

How would you bid my example hand 'if' partner holds the heart King and 'x' or void in Diamonds? The grand slam is not making opposite a diamond void, without a trump lead and the Diamond King located both onside and also being doubleton.

 

My experience with grand slams is that you should make most of them or you are not bidding very well. Needing a doubleton trump King onside in addition to also needing a trump lead is a very low percentage Grand Slam bidding method IMO.

 

KQJ void AQxxxxx Kxx hand ? Your 4H* kickback bid(holding a heart 'void' will often generate worthless answers. That same two Ace answer would cause you to repeat the same exact auction to 7Ds. Why can't the other side hold a Black Ace?

Will this suit play for no losers opposite 'x' or a diamond void?

 

If you cuebid your heart void with a 4NT* bid, that will also often lead to disaster. That two ace reply forces you to slam with a AQxxxxx suit opposite a

void. Even 'x' opposite AQxxxxx is not a great trump suit at the seven level.

 

Since you made(in your previous auction) a further Grand Slam try over a two Ace reply, when partner 'signs off' with 6Ds, why wouldn't you again bid the Grand Slam? The auction is exactly the same as in your previous bidding.

 

5NT as a grand slam try, partner signs off with 6Ds and you freely bid 7Ds. :blink:

 

Just how often have you used Kickback 'without' suit agreement and also 'holding a 'void?' You claim to get good results when the bidding will often make no sense at all after you use RKC while holding a void?

 

I am still interested in your explanation of why you would bid 7Ds over a 6D sign off bid on that auction where your suggested bidding went ....5NT-6D-7D

 

Do you normally make a 7D contract with AQJ10xxx opposite a void?

 

Unless you get a both a trump lead and the Diamond king on side doubleton, you are going down in your freely bid 7D contract. :lol:

 

Regards,

Robert

[Fluffy]

the 2♥ underbid helps, lets see easiest way to count 13 trricks:

 

1♣-1♦ (2♥)

ps-X

2♠-4♦

4♠-4NT

5♣(0-3)-5♦ (0???)

6♦ no-7NT (4♠, 1♥, 7♦,2♣ =14)

 

If he bids 3♥ I think the auction could be exactly the same but without the jump, althou now it becomes less clear what the fit is.

[mike777]

Hello Mike777

 

My experience leans in exactly the opposite direction. Playing 4H* as always being Kickback 'without' suit agreement leaves my example hand unbiddable in your methods.

 

How would you bid my example hand 'if' partner holds the heart King and 'x' or void in Diamonds? The grand slam is not making opposite a diamond void, without a trump lead and the Diamond King located both onside and also being doubleton.

 

My experience with grand slams is that you should make most of them or you are not bidding very well. Needing a doubleton trump King onside in addition to also needing a trump lead is a very low percentage Grand Slam bidding method IMO.

 

KQJ void AQxxxxx Kxx hand ? Your 4H* kickback bid(holding a heart 'void' will often generate worthless answers. That same two Ace answer would cause you to repeat the same exact auction to 7Ds. Why can't the other side hold a Black Ace?

Will this suit play for no losers opposite 'x' or a diamond void?

 

If you cuebid your heart void with a 4NT* bid, that will also often lead to disaster. That two ace reply forces you to slam with a AQxxxxx suit opposite a

void. Even 'x' opposite AQxxxxx is not a great trump suit at the seven level.

 

Since you made(in your previous auction) a further Grand Slam try over a two Ace reply, when partner 'signs off' with 6Ds, why wouldn't you again bid the Grand Slam? The auction is exactly the same as in your previous bidding.

 

5NT as a grand slam try, partner signs off with 6Ds and you freely bid 7Ds. :blink:

 

Just how often have you used Kickback 'without' suit agreement and also 'holding a 'void?' You claim to get good results when the bidding will often make no sense at all after you use RKC while holding a void?

 

I am still interested in your explanation of why you would bid 7Ds over a 6D sign off bid on that auction where your suggested bidding went ....5NT-6D-7D

 

Do you normally make a 7D contract with AQJ10xxx opposite a void?

 

Unless you get a both a trump lead and the Diamond king on side doubleton, you are going down in your freely bid 7D contract. :lol:

 

Regards,

Robert

On this hand I would have bid 4h kickback for D and partner would show 3 key cards and I can just bid 7D now.

 

With a pick up partner yes, I would have just bid 4nt and 5nt with actual hand, assuming, 4nt is old fashion blackwood not rkc and over 5nt that 6d shows D King.

Is that a lot of assumptions with a pickup partner on bbo, not really, most of the time I need to assume much more with my pick up partners as we have zero agreements :).

[mila85]

All you need is to establish diamonds as trumphs and then use RKCB.

 

Polish club:

2♣-(p)-3♦-3♥

???-(p) - 4NT - (p)

7♦-(p)-7NT - p...

 

 

 

Standard:

1♣-(p)-2♦-x♥

???-(p) - 4NT - (p)

7♦-(p)-7NT - p...

 

I don't know what I bid with opener's hand. It doesn't matter.

I bid 7♦ with 3aces because if I bid normal 0/3 (5♦) partner will probably pass it.