Anticipating the other room

[Robert]

Hello Kalvan14

 

Brofeld posted the standard meaning for 1NT-5NT. Invites 7NT and forces 6NT.

 

A pickup partner might have a problem with 1NT-2C-2S-4NT as RKC.

 

The conditions of contest for the problem stated 'something' about the stronger team was our team. If it was not stated, the biding methods used strongly suggested that this was a regular partnership.

 

In my methods, it is impossible for 4NT to be RKC. With a balanced hand,

1NT-3H*(CONFIT) shows a combined 31+HCPS and asks for his control total, later for suits, and 'still later' for the number of the top three trump honors.

 

With an unbalanced hand, transfers or 'shape showing' bids would be used to bid any slam range hand.

 

I very rarely use RKC in my methods. Various 'toys' show partner a slam suggestion often at or below 4M.

 

Regards,

Robert

[Kalvan14]

Hello Kalvan14

 

Brofeld posted the standard meaning for 1NT-5NT.  Invites 7NT and forces 6NT.

 

A pickup partner might have a problem with 1NT-2C-2S-4NT as RKC.

 

The conditions of contest for the problem stated 'something' about the stronger team was our team.  If it was not stated, the biding methods used strongly suggested that this was a regular partnership.

 

In my methods, it is impossible for 4NT to be RKC.  With a balanced hand,

1NT-3H*(CONFIT) shows a combined 31+HCPS and asks for his control total, later for suits, and 'still later' for the number of the top three trump honors.

 

With an unbalanced hand, transfers or 'shape showing' bids would be used to bid any slam range hand.

 

I very rarely use RKC in my methods.  Various 'toys' show partner a slam suggestion often at or below 4M.

 

Regards,

Robert

if it is a regular partnership, they must hav a method for further investigation of the hand distribution.

This was my 1st suggestion, and this should also clear away the possible issue of 4N being RKC.

After which, I agree that 4 N is a reasonable invitation to slam. My feeling is still that just stopping in 3N is a bit shy.

 

In a less seasoned partnership, I think you need something better than 4N to invite (provided that 4N cannot be RKC: I've no problems with your method, Robert. IMO, I've seen plenty players (including good players in a good partnership) playing 1N-2C-2S-4N as RKC agreeing spade)

[han]

I would also bid 3NT, and worry not too much about what happens in the other room. The hand is not even worth a slam invite in my opinion.

 

From our perspective is not odds on, so if the other room is going to bid slam: great!

[Robert]

Hello kalvan14

 

I was fairly sure that you would not be among the 3NT bidders. :rolleyes:

 

Some like it, and some do not. I am way pass 'mad science.' :)

 

Methods vary by partnership style and choice. Whatever works for you.

 

I have seen many good pairs sometimes bid very badly. The fact that they used certain meanings for bid in any given auction does not affect the result.

 

My Bridge World subscription goes back to the late 70's. National and world champion pairs sometimes have comptelely different ideas about an auction.

 

One very good pair made a 15HCP reverse opposite a 14HCP responder in one Bridge World Challenge the Champs bidding contest. They got to a hopeless 6NT with a misfit 29HCP total after responder invited slam and later accepted his own invitation.

 

They were either world class or maybe just under world class, I would have to check on the exact details. They produced a really bad auction before a world wide audience, however, I still consider them a 'good' pair.

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence in my slam bidding tools not being 'inferior' to 1NT-4NT.

 

I bid the hands much better than the 1NT-4NT auction does IMHO. :)

 

If any top pair does use methods other than 1NT-4NT to invite slams, they also probably think that their methods are better. :)

 

Just out of my own curiousity, what standards do you use to describe a pair as being a 'good' pair?

 

Best regards,

Robert

[beatrix45]

:) 4NT

 

Balanced hands, no long suits, a preponderance of the high cards. These are the conditions in which point count bidding is at its best. USE IT NOW.

 

P.S. I am curious why you bid 2♣ in the first place. With 4-3-3-3 and a jack empty suit, a diamond contract seems dubious. Plus, you have assisted the opponents in the defense AND misled partner about your hand. He is likely to place too much value on KJx in hearts, thinking the jack solidifies four tricks.