Codo Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Hi all, a simple question: You play a team game, one of the very first boards: You are red, they white:The bidding so far:rho YOU lho mho pass pass 5 Diamond 6 Club6 Diamond okay, not much place left...your bid with xAJTxxAxxxxxx is? TIA Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Hi all, a simple question: You play a team game, one of the very first boards: You are red, they white:The bidding so far:rho YOU lho mho pass pass 5 Diamond 6 Club6 Diamond okay, not much place left...your bid with xAJTxxAxxxxxx is? We are RED and partner bid 6CLUBS versus a white five diamonds, and I hold 4 trumps, two aces (including control in their suit) and a singleton in the other suit? This isn't a difficult problem at all, partner didn't bid 6 clubs as a sacrafice, and you have more than enough for grand slam. You are clearly on your way to 7 clubs, for sure, that contract simply has to be laydown. Now the problem is, will you know what to do over 7 diamonds (that bid is surely coming at this vulnerability). That is, can you make 7 hearts or 7NT as well? There is only one way to play this. As a passed hand, you bid 6 hearts (fit nonjump), on the way to 7 clubs. Now over 7 diamonds, forcing passes etc can help your side decide how to continue. If partner has good heart fit, he will bid 7 H or 7 NT, if not, he will wack 7D. If you have any concern that your partner will think you are willing to contract for a 6 heart contract vulnerable after you couldn't open 1H, 2H or 3H, then go ahead and bid 7Clubs and be willing to double 7Diamonds I guess. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 I would bid 7N:) Pd bid 6c without two aces. He should have everything else in control and lots of trick source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 I would bid 7N:) Pd bid 6c without two aces. He should have everything else in control and lots of trick source. I wouldn't but too much stock into the diamond ACE, when you are holding the heart ACE, partner is void in diamonds. Partner has at most 9 clubs (probably 8) that leaves him with 5 likely non-clubs. Your two aces take care of two of those five cards. But could he not have S-AKJx H-x D-void C-AKQJTxxx. or maybe S-AKX H-xx D-void C-AKQJTxxx? You have only 12 tricks in Notrump opposite those. By bidding 6H, you give your partner a chance to evaluate his hand. Give him good hearts, like S-Ax H-KQx D-void C-AKQJTxxx he will bid 7H which you can then easily correct to 7NT. My point being, 6H bid is the way to get an invite to 7NT (if partner supports hearts, bidding 7NT seem prudent), on the way to 7Cs. This way you play 7NT with a heart fit, and 7C without it. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 If there is 12 tricks, then there must be 13 tricks:) But I must admit 6h is a good bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 If there is 12 tricks, then there must be 13 tricks:) But I must admit 6h is a good bid. It is not a good bid if the bidding goes 6H-P-P-P... so you have to have a very good understanding of bridge logic with partner to risk this bid. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 As much as I love fit non-jumps and fancy stuff this deal is too much for me. 6h reaches a level of fancyness that I'm not willing to explore and I certainly won't recommend. And it's a fantasy bid nobody will bid 6h at the table expecting your pd to take that as "maybe you can bid 7h if they bid 7d 'cos I have 4 card support for clubs and 2 aces"So I bid 7c and if they bid 7d then whatever, I bid 7nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 1, 2003 Report Share Posted October 1, 2003 Seriously.. .as a passed hand, what else can you possible have and bid 6HEARTS. I mean, if you are not a passed hand, I would never consider bidding 6H...but how can you POSSIBLY have a heart suit good enough to suggest a serious heart contract at the six level on this auction? It can't happen. not in my opinion... but like I said, I would not risk this bid with any partner who is not on the same wavelength as I am. ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 2, 2003 Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Luis, I think you missed the fact that you are a passed hand and hence 6H HAS to be a fnj. I think 6H is a standout bid. I did not open a weak 2 in H, how can I now possibly bid 6 without a C fit. This would be a bit harder if you were an unpassed hand; in that case I would bid 7C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 2, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2003 Thanks for your comments: This is what happened in the real world:pass pass 5 Diamond 6 Club6 Diamond 7 Club X all pass -1 KQJTxxvoidAKQJxxx I did not bid at this table, but obviously the 6 club bidder was not on your wavelength. He thought, with two passed hands and a huge preempt, he can suspect little help from pd. After all, the right 7 HCP had been sufficent.Obviously his pd and this forum have different thoughts. Okay, so if his hand is too weak for 6 Club, what should he do then? Kind Regards Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Thanks for your comments: This is what happened in the real world:pass pass 5 Diamond 6 Club6 Diamond 7 Club X all pass -1 KQJTxxvoidAKQJxxx Okay, so if his hand is too weak for 6 Club, what should he do then? Ok, I know why no one has responded to what this hand should do. The best spot is exaclty 6 CLUBS, but there seems no reasonable way to get into that contract (well, if South opens a mulderberg 2HEARTS, but it is too late for that now). Over 5D, I play DBL as takeout, and 5NT as show your suits up the line. Thus, north could get amazingly lucky with a 5NT bid and pass partners 6Clubs, but no one would bid that. The problem with double is that is for "TAKEOUT", but partner very frequently passes. I don't have enough nerve to bid 5NT as I am not sure I want to play in 6Spades, so I would DOUBLE. Now a few bad things might happen. Partner may jump to 6H's or, when you correct 5H to 6Clubs, he might bid 6Spades on three spades and two clubs. Another bad thing, is he may pass when 6Clubs is cold. I guess this is why people preempt. I suspect after a lot of soul searching, I would dbl 5 Diamonds. This is probably not going to lead to a glorious result for me, but if partner bids only 5HEARTS, then we will manage to play 6C. Probably we will play 5Dx. We should manage a diamond, heart and spade at least, and maybe on a good day a club or second spade. Not much considering we can make 6C, but better than going minus a zillion in 7NT-X (diamond out, you have 7C, 1D, 1H is all)..or minus 100 or 200 in 7Clubs (dbled or not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted October 3, 2003 Report Share Posted October 3, 2003 Thanks for your comments: This is what happened in the real world:pass pass 5 Diamond 6 Club6 Diamond 7 Club X all pass -1 KQJTxxvoidAKQJxxx I did not bid at this table, but obviously the 6 club bidder was not on your wavelength. He thought, with two passed hands and a huge preempt, he can suspect little help from pd. After all, the right 7 HCP had been sufficent.Obviously his pd and this forum have different thoughts. Okay, so if his hand is too weak for 6 Club, what should he do then? Kind Regards Roland I can envision the postmortem."I always bid what we can make pd...." I really don't care much about freakish hands where a decision between doubling 6d or bidding 7c has to be taken at our second turn. Either you do it right or wrong but there's a high level of randomness introduced by the noise in the auction. Many players have a fascination for this kind of hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtewari Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Hi Roland, Nice post! I discussed this hand with my partner and in our agreement a pass by the south hand (x,AJTxx,Axx,xxxx) is treated as forcing and forward going. The assumption is that once partner has bid vul 6C, the hand belongs to us and we are not letting them play undoubled. A direct double says enough is enough. We have 2 options on this hand 1. Bidding 6H and commiting to 7 level2. Forcing pass suggesting a possibility to play at 7 level and leaving the decision to overcaller. The overcalling hand is looking at 3 losers and will not expect partner to cover all of them and will happily double their 6D bid. Whether he will bid grand with Axxx,xx,-,AKQJTxx is another question. Normally, I would prefer the forcing pass as it does not punish ourselves for bidding a little aggressive in pre-emptive situations and also if partner does not bid grand on making hands, I can always try and put the blame back on him B) Playing the double as negative does not make much sense except for providing an alternate suit to outbid opponents suit at the same level. Most of the times the new suit will not provide any extra tricks than the overcaller's suit (clubs) which is expected to be solid in the context of the auction and it also runs the risk that there may be bad breaks in the new suit. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.