Awkward rebid

[Echognome]

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1♣ - 1♥

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No good rebid. What's the best lie?

[awm]

I'd probably go with 3♣. I am not actually that big of a believer in suit quality. Obviously it'd be great if this showed 6+♣ and 3♥, but regardless I will bid it anyway.

 

Partner usually bids over 3♣, and we should be well-placed to reach the best contract if partner does bid. The 3♣ call basically only gives us a bad result when partner passes it, and has short clubs.

 

The other options seem a lot worse -- 1♠ really causes problems if partner decides to raise, since it will be almost impossible to back into hearts or notrump. 2♥ and 2♣ seem like huge underbids. 3♥ basically commits to hearts, which could be right but could also easily be wrong.

[Chamaco]

I'd bid 2♥, although I would not mind 1♠.

 

If the rebid 3♣ specifically promises 3 card support (as some players agree), that could be acceptable, but I think that would make it hard for pard to evaluate properly his hand (e.g. he might downgrade any spade honor).

And, 3♣ loses a lot of space, leaving pard to guess at the 3 level whether the side honors are fitting or not.

[P_Marlowe]

2C, followed by 3C

 

Marlowe

[david_c]

2♥ for me. I choose to lie by underbidding; 2♥ is the most encouraging underbid that I can find.

[ochinko]

2♥. I support extremely rarely with 3 cards, and it almost always leads to a disaster, but I believe it is the best bid here because of the two top honors in hearts, because the shorter trump will stop their diamonds, and because I compensate both with points and controls the lack of the fourth trump. If I ever saw a hand suggesting playing with a Moysian fit, this is it.

 

Petko

[Echognome]

<Snip> If I ever saw a hand suggesting playing with a Moysian fit, this is it.

Is KQx of hearts really that suited to a Moysian? Axx is much nicer.

[Chamaco]

<Snip> If I ever saw a hand suggesting playing with a Moysian fit, this is it.

Is KQx of hearts really that suited to a Moysian? Axx is much nicer.

KQx is good for

..a. dummy reversal if pard has values in diamonds and we do not get tapped in ♦,

..b. keeping trump control while scrambling the sidesuit tricks.

..c. entries to the long clubs.

 

 

Axx is better for ruffing diamonds losers.

 

Moysian fits can be played with many different techniques according to the situation depending on whether we'll be in a partscore or game, and the respective texture of trumps and sidesuit.

 

Both Axx and KQx may be good or bad according to responder's holding in the minors.

[Echognome]

Interesting... since I've adapted this hand from a book on famous bridge hands and that was the comment by the (well known) authors. Your views may differ of course.

[Chamaco]

Interesting... since I've adapted this hand from a book on famous bridge hands and that was the comment by the (well known) authors.  Your views may differ of course.

I think a lot of it depends on the presence of a long sidesuit in dummy, and of course - as I said - by the minor suit holding by responder.

 

I haveno doubt that in some cases (e.g. responder holding xxxx in diamonds), Axx works better.

 

Could u post the hand and the commentary you referred to ? Did it have a 6+ sidesuit in the same hand of the 3 card support ?

[MickyB]

2♥ is fine playing weak NT. Not convinced that 2♥ is more encouraging than 2♣ in a strong NT system...really have no idea what I'd bid here.

[joker_gib]

2♣ and I don't lie !

 

Alain

[whereagles]

Choice 1: a slight underbid of 2♣.

Choice 2: a slight overbid of 3♣.

 

I go with #2, though I can live with #1.

[Fluffy]

2♣ and I don't lie !

 

Alain

That's what I beleive

[inquiry]

I don't like 2♣ (too big an underbid) or 3♣ (suit is no where good enough for 3♣), likewise 2♥ is too big of an underbid. So, I would go with the pedestrian 1♠ or, if playing NMFO (new minor forcign by opener) an odd looking 2♦ planning on A) passing a 2♥ response or bidding 3♥ over anything else. Most likely I am not playing NMFO here, so 1♠ for me in this poll.

[joker_gib]

I don't like 2♣ (too big an underbid)

In my method, 2♣ is 12-17(-) so I don't see where it's an underbid, sorry

 

Alain

[Guest Jlall]

I was the other genius that voted for 1S...lol. I usually avoid bids like this, and it was a well thought out hand. I usually bid 2H, but this hits the upper limit for me. 2C has a higher upper limit, but I'd rather raise hearts which is more likely to encourage partner and get us to the best game. 3C is unfathomable to me on this suit. 1S will leave me very well placed if partner does not raise (or pass), and I will have a decent chance at surviving if he does raise (over 2S I will bid 4H and we may get to a good moysian, a bad moysian, or a 5-3 heart fit if I'm lucky).

[adhoc3]

Can anyone please advice why dbl is out of consideration?

 

Thanks

[Guest Jlall]

Can anyone please advice why dbl is out of consideration?

 

Thanks

It is not a legal bid over your partner's 1H :D

[mike777]

Can anyone please advice why dbl is out of consideration?

 

Thanks

2clubs.

 

In many parts of USA you are not allowed to double your partner's bids, no matter how much you want to sometimes.

[Winstonm]

I have sympathy for the 1S bid but don't see the need of it when I have a natural bid available: 2C.

 

Winston

[Finch]

...So, I would go with the pedestrian 1♠...

1♠ is many things, but pedestrian it ain't. Inventing a 3-card suit in an auction where partner can easily have four of them, is above the level of the suit we're hoping to raise later, and where partner does have four of them won't have five hearts, is not pedestrian.

[Guest Jlall]

...So, I would go with the pedestrian 1♠...

1♠ is many things, but pedestrian it ain't. Inventing a 3-card suit in an auction where partner can easily have four of them, is above the level of the suit we're hoping to raise later, and where partner does have four of them won't have five hearts, is not pedestrian.

I agree that it's not pedestrian, but why won't he have 5 hearts if he has 4 spades? He might not, but it seems like he might.

[adhoc3]

In many parts of USA you are not allowed to double your partner's bids, no matter how much you want to sometimes.

It is not a legal bid over your partner's 1H 

lol, I like both comments, thank you! ---- thought was opps' 1H :P

[awm]

Interesting that many of the same people who like to open ten-counts with six-card clubs at the one-level are rebidding 2♣. Isn't game pretty good opposite any of these hands:

 

xx

AJTxx

xxx

xxx

 

xx

Axxxx

Axx

xxx

 

xxxx

JTxxx

xx

Ax

 

I wouldn't expect partner to do anything but pass 2♣ with any of those hands. It seems very easy to miss a game after the 2♣ call, which (while it may have a wide range) could certainly be an ace weaker.

 

On the other hand, 3♣ is unlikely to miss a game, and you will probably find your heart fit as long as partner isn't passing 3♣. Notice that despite the weak spots, you have a fair chance to make 3♣ opposite:

 

Qxx

Jxxx

xxxx

Jx

 

This is not a hand I'd expect partner to respond on. Yes, surely partner might have a club singleton or void, but it seems very pessimistic to be willing to miss so many good games just on the off-chance partner has some minimal hand with very short clubs.