Partner has a big hand... we don't

[Echognome]

[hv=d=w&v=e&s=sj98hq97dqj32cjt8]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(1♦) - X - (2♦) - P

(P) - 2♠ - (P) - ?[/hv]

 

What now?

[awm]

2NT. If we have a game, it is fairly likely to be in notrump where we need one trick fewer and the diamond queen and jack will actually have some value. I might try 3NT if our overcalls are pretty wide-ranging (i.e. partner shows something like 18+ or 19+ here) but will stick to 2NT if 2♠ could be a good 16.

[bearmum]

2NT. If we have a game, it is fairly likely to be in notrump where we need one trick fewer and the diamond queen and jack will actually have some value. I might try 3NT if our overcalls are pretty wide-ranging (i.e. partner shows something like 18+ or 19+ here) but will stick to 2NT if 2♠ could be a good 16.

ITA :D P can take it out if he doesn't like the look of NT -- IMO all I am showing is a few points and ONE D stopper

[Fluffy]

With my refular partner this hand is slam oriented (ok, I exagerate, but you take the point) since we almost never double then bid suit (only with very strrong hands).

 

With a pickup partner I would follow adam's advice, he is more used to it :angry:

[Finch]

If partner can have a horrible 19-count with a 5-card spade suit, I pass.

With my regular partners I am nearly worth a game force.

 

I think I will try 3D followed by 3NT to show uncertainty about the correct game (if partner has AKxxxx AKx - Kxxx then 4S is a better contract).

[Echognome]

If partner can have a horrible 19-count with a 5-card spade suit, I pass.

With my regular partners I am nearly worth a game force.

 

I think I will try 3D followed by 3NT to show uncertainty about the correct game (if partner has AKxxxx AKx - Kxxx then 4S is a better contract).

If this refers to the other post about the 19 count with a bad spade suit, it is unrelated. It is just a bidding poll, I don't have the whole hand.

[Guest Jlall]

A simple 3S for me. I would usually game force with this many HCP, but my hand is worth a downgrade or two...or three... I will support with support.

[joker_gib]

2NT. If we have a game, it is fairly likely to be in notrump where we need one trick fewer and the diamond queen and jack will actually have some value. I might try 3NT if our overcalls are pretty wide-ranging (i.e. partner shows something like 18+ or 19+ here) but will stick to 2NT if 2♠ could be a good 16.

I agree totally ! :angry:

[P_Marlowe]

Pass is probbaly to conservative,

and I have a fit for partner, ... 3S.

 

Marlowe

[mike777]

2nt

[Robert]

Hello everyone

 

This is a matter of style. I am in the 'very strong' double and suit rebid camp.

 

I would also venture 2NT(withholding my spade support) because of this hands strong NT 'values with a 'like minded' partner.

 

Playing with an average pick up partner, pass is clear cut(IMO) If he might hold 16HCP opposite this hand, he might continue to bid after hearing my 2NT bid.

 

If partner happens to be of the Edgar Kaplan style of bidding, I jump to 3NT. :P

 

Regards,

Robert

[luis]

Did somebody mention a slam try? That's quite insane because the hand despite the point count is absolutely horrible, I don't think it can even contribute a single trick to any contract we play.

Not vulnerable I just pass 2♠ I don't mind missing a non vulnerable game, they can bid 3♦ and I will be happy to double, the hand is 100% defense.

[Al_U_Card]

Well, dbl then 2S as a balance shows a nice suit and 16+ hcp to me. My 7 hcp balanced mishmosh opposite a 3S bid, or other rock crusher, would give me pause for thot. I like pluses, so I pass. (the quack of D should produce useful tricks for pard :ph34r: no?....lol)

[Trpltrbl]

Most of the time I will bid 3♠, I do have a fit.

I might, mostly in MP's, bid 2NT because of all my slow values. I do have more then I promised.

 

GBB :ph34r:

[whereagles]

I'll bid 3NT, but only because it's imps. At matchpoints I just pass out this junky hand.. lol.

[han]

2NT seems right. I expect a very good hand from partner. (and of course the fact that partner is now balancing is completely irrelevant)

[Kalvan14]

Partner should have a pretty good hand. My slow tricks are more useful in NT thatn in a ♠ contract. 3♦ is a nice bid, but I doubt it would convey the right message. 2NT (or maybe even 3NT) looks the right bid.

[Al_U_Card]

2NT seems right. I expect a very good hand from partner. (and of course the fact that partner is now balancing is completely irrelevant)

Well, the fact that you didn't act after his double is hardly irrelevant. You heard his bid and declined the offer. He will take that into consideration and play you for fewer useful values.

[beatrix45]

;) Close decision between pass and 3♠. Pass at matchpoints and 3♠ vul at IMPs. If you look at it with Mike Lawrence's FTL analysis, we probably have about 20 working HCP and our two shortest suits add up to four.

 

13-4-0 = 9 tricks

 

for our working HCP to put us over the top for game, pard needs 19 or 20. Or pard could be 5-5 or 6-4 so that he is looking at both short suits. Still, I hate my QJ of diamonds, the opps have to be bidding on something.

[awm]

Wow, pass is pretty amazing. What's the upper limit on 2♠? I think anything that can't force game opposite a yarborough is pretty much okay (I would play double followed by a jump to 3♠ as 100% forcing here). Give partner something like:

 

AKTxxx

AKxx

-

xxx

 

I don't even think this is enough for the double and then bid, but yet 4♠ seems reasonable even at MPs.

 

KQTxx

AKx

x

AQxx

 

Not much beyond a minimum for partner's bids, but 3nt and 4♠ both have play.

 

Our hand includes three spades to an honor, a possibly useful heart queen, and some other scattered values. If partner opened a natural 1♠ I wouldn't pass. How can I pass now when partner has shown a substantially stronger hand?

[Robert]

Hello awm

 

Are we looking at the same hands?

 

AK10xxx AKxx void xxx opposite Jxx Qxx QJxx xxx

 

You will lose three clubs and you need a 2-2 spade break or you are going to be putting that 4th heart in your pocket to avoid losing a heart, unless the suit breaks an anti percentage 3-3.

 

If the spades break 3-1, you have to guess the spades(unless the Queen drops singleton) to avoid going down two if the hearts also have a fairly normal 4-2 division.

 

The defense can also lead that 13th club and about 50% of the time, they get a trump promotion. If that 13th club is lead from in front of the AK10xxx suit, the Queen doubleton always makes a defensive trick when the 13th club is led.

 

Even if the Queen is singleton, that 13th club will put you to a rather nasty guess if it is led from in front of the AK10xxx holding. Do you ruff high or hook the ten?

 

Remember before you choose that the Queen can be Qxx in front of you or Q stiff behind you. The Qx always turns a trick with that 13th cllub led pass the AK10xxx suit.

 

The odds are that a decent pair will beat you somewhat more times than you will make ten tricks. Those are bad odds to bid game at MPs.

 

You want to bid 4S if vulneralbe at IMPs, you only need about a 38% chance to break even by bidding game. You likely have slightly better than a 38% chance.

 

At MPs you want to get a plus score rather than bid a below 50% game.

 

Regards,

Robert

[Winstonm]

3N. WTP? My partner is half Al Roth, making me half Stone(d). ;)

 

Winston

[SchTsch]

I think that 2NT is the right bid.

 

Not because we will always get good score bidding 2NT but because we will put decision on partner as it probably should be. Everything else is a wild guess, and with this rubbish i don't want to guess anything. 2NT should be pretty accurate description of our hand so I bid it.

[Echognome]

I don't have a hand to go with this problem. It's adapted from a bidding problem book. I will add some food for thought though.

 

Our current hand is 3-3-4-3. Suppose we were 3-3-3-4, but with QJx of diamonds instead. Still about the same stopper, but now partner is more likely to have a doubleton diamond. In my opinion, our 4th diamond makes spades a more likely strain than NT.

[han]

A counterargument:

 

If the 2D has no entries than QJxx will be a double stopper and QJx will be a single stopper.

 

Does the 2D bid guarantee an entry? Perhaps, not if it's me.