Your second bid is ?

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Your RHO opened 1C as this is a bit too much for 1 level overcall so you first double, partner bid 1D and RHO bid 2C, what do you bid now ?

2♠ - simple showing my suit

D - spades arent good enough I have nice hearts, i would be happy with pass over 2C D, and would correct 2H to 2S.

[000002]

Pass is my indeed choice

[pbleighton]

2S seems clear.

 

Peter

[Guest Jlall]

pass? I'm not sure how you can pass with an ace and a king extra, but ok. If you X first you have to bid 2 spades next with a hand like this. If you are uncomfortable with that on a suit this bad, then overcall 1S. Having Xed, I would definitely bid 2S now. I have to bid spades at SOME point.

[mike777]

Prefer 1s first bid then x.

If I must x first then x on second bid please.

 

Why 1s? If partner cannot make some kind of noise then I doubt we have game.

[000002]

hi friends.

I explain my pass with this example:

 

1♣=dbl=pass=1♦

2♣=pass=pa=2♦/♥

pass=2♠

 

what 2♠ discover?

p/c? or game inviting?

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hi friends.

I explain my pass with this example:

 

1♣=dbl=pass=1♦

2♣=pass=pa=2♦/♥

pass=2♠

 

what 2♠ discover?

p/c? or game inviting?

not sure this is even possible but it will sure wont show a good hand.

But tell me this

1♣ D P 1♦

2♣ P P P

Why did i get +100 when all the other got +450 ?

[Gerben42]

2♠ now. Would have preferred 1♠ followed by dbl. It's an 18-count but not a great one. Partner does not have a ♥ fit for us, he bid 1♦ remember?

[Guest Jlall]

It's an 18-count but not a great one. Partner does not have a ♥ fit for us, he bid 1♦ remember?

its actually just a terrible 19 :)

[Kalvan14]

True, a bad 19. IMHO, there must be a limit to the honor strength of a simple overcall. With this hand, the only possible sequence is first X, then 2S. We live in the real world, not all the bids come straight out of the Bridge Encyclopedia :)

[Gerben42]

I said 18 because even for an 18-count it looks bad :)

[cherdano]

To those who start with 1♠, then double: Do you play the second double as showing a maximum? I would understand it as takeout, promising extras of course, but more likely a 5=4=3=1 14-count than a balanced 18 (sorry 19) count.

 

Arend

[000002]

Let me create 2 hands to you:)

 

xx

xxx

A10xxx

xxx can make 2♠ up?

 

Qxx

xxx

Axxxx

xx mb 4♠,but why lose?

 

 

regards

[Flame]

Let me create 2 hands to you:)

 

xx

xxx

A10xxx

xxx  can make 2♠ up?

 

Qxx

xxx

Axxxx

xx    mb 4♠,but why lose?

 

 

regards

First your examples arent too convincing because they dont have a problem with bidding 2S now, you even showed that you have a nice chance of making 2S and 4S(2S isnt forcing), but even if you were right these hands could suggest bidding 1S instead of the intial double, as many others here suggested , this is a matter of style and for that partnership this hand was just a bit too much for a a 1 level overcall.

If you didnt bid 1S first then you cant pass now, you didnt show what you have.

you showed 12 hcp wiht all around hand usually no 5 card especially not a major one and what u got is 19 hcp with 5 spades, not really helpful to get or copete to the right contract.

[Blofeld]

I'd rather bid 1♠ at first, but I'm going to bid 2♠ now if I doubled.

[Robert]

Hello everyone

 

After doubling with this hand, I would bid 2S over 2Cs.

 

This manificent 19HCP hand does have six losers and a fairly weak main suit.

 

My normal style is to overcall with this hand. How often will it go p-p-p and you have missed game?

 

Competitive bridge has a wide assortment of ways to bid. Doubles, weak jump shifts, weak jump raises, 'mixed raises', negative 'free bids' in addition to normal raises.

 

You will rarely be passed out 'if' you have a possible game. If you play standard methods, opener is virtually certain to reopen with a double 'unless' he holds spade length. If he does hold spade length, do you really think that you have missed anything?

 

Don't your current methods have several ways for partner to support your overcall with @ 6-9 dummy points and xxx? My partner would cuebid with 10 dummy points and 3 card support.

 

I jump raise a major overcall with 4 trumps and about 7-9 dummy points. With 4 trumps and 'mixed' values, partner could make a 'mixed' raise 'jump cuebid.'

 

Since LHO did not bid and RHO also managed to 'only' bid 2Cs. If you rebid 2Ss, partner may have an easy raise to game.

 

If you pass here(after first doubling?) the bidding could indeed sometimes end

with us missing a game. Was partner supposed to bid a Kxx spade suit in passout seat after you doubled and later passed a 2C rebid by opener?

 

Regards,

Robert

[han]

I prefer 1S followed by a double. I would never double with this hand so I abstain.

[Winstonm]

The only reason to double first is to show a hand too strong for a 1-level overcall.

I can comfortably bid 2S now and then subside, having shown all my hand. Actually, it's rather lucky to be able to adequately describe my hand at the 2-level in a competetive auction. If RHO had bid 3C my hand is a lot harder to describe.

 

Winston

[inquiry]

Abstain... as I would not double on the first round... I would have overcalled 1♠

[Finch]

I also would have overcalled 1S on the first round.

It may have 19 HCP, but it has nothing like the playing strength that I consider is necessary for double-then-bid.

 

However, if I decide double is correct on the first round then I have to bid 2S now.

[Chamaco]

Hmm, I tend to deviate from the opinion of most experts that would rebid 2S after the double.

Of course this makes me suspicious :angry: , so I'd appreciate feedback on my line of reasoning, given below.

 

Incidentally, I agree with all the folks that would overcall 1S at the first round.

 

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What are the suit requirements of double followed by bid of own suit ?

 

If the requirements are having a decent 6 card suit OR a VERY GOOD (at the very least AKTxx) 5 card suit, then this hand does not comply.

 

I think that the risks of double + new suit is greater than missing a 5-3 fit in spades (likely if we double again), which might well not exist at all: indeed, if pard is very weak with a singleton or void in spades, he should pass (if we double then bid a suit and he is broke, he will assume our suit is good and pass before it's too late), and that is the last thing I want.

 

Pard will read my 2nd double as "cards", mostly takeout oriented, and frankly, even in the worse case scenario (we miss 53 fit in spades), our hand offers enough safety in any suit pard can pull to (likely diamonds).

[mikeh]

I would never have doubled first: I am not the least bit worried about bidding 1♠ directly. This is a filthy 19 count: a more accurate hint at its relative strength is a LTC of 6: only one better than a typical minimum opening bid.

 

It is a question of style and agreement, but it is common expert practive to respond to an overcall (if you have a fit) with the same strength with which you would raise an opening bid. This hand will not likely produce game unless partner can bid freely over 1♠.

 

Indeed, it is far from clear that you are worth 4♠ over a raise! Give him Kxx Jxx xxxx Kxx and you will lose 2♣, a ruff and the ♦A and (on a really bad day) another trump.

 

That should give you a clue that maybe this is not the same as AKJxxx Axx KQx x: a more typical hand for double and ♠. That hand has 'only' 17 hcp, but it is infinitely stronger than the posted hand.

 

Having misclicked originally, I will now try to salvage something by bidding 2♠: I will claim that I had a ♣ in with my ♠ suit.

 

I will not risk a double since partner may bid 2♥ with 3=3 majors or (more likely) 2♦, either of which leave me in horrible shape.

[Guest Jlall]

It is a question of style and agreement, but it is common expert practive to respond to an overcall (if you have a fit) with the same strength with which you would raise an opening bid.

not sure if this is entirely true, I think hands like xx Kxx Kxxx Jxxx would pass a 1S overcall etc. 1N in response to 1S generally shows like 8-11ish. Agree that the hand is not worth the HCP total (and would bid 1S).

[Chamaco]

I will not risk a double since partner may bid 2♥ with 3=3 majors or (more likely) 2♦, either of which leave me in horrible shape.

There also the risk of playing in a 5-1 or 5-0 spades fit...

That would also leave us in a terrible place, no ? :P

 

(especially if we have a 5-2 fit available in diamonds)

[mikeh]

Justin: I qualified my answer by 'if you have a fit': I agree that one does not respond to a major suit overcall with the kind of hand that you showed, but with xxx in ♠ and a 7 count, I would respond. I like and usually play transfer advances, so that my 2♠ direct raise will not be taken seriously, but even when not playing that method, I would squeak 2♠ with xxx Kx Kxxx Jxxx (or slightly worse)