Modified Fantunes system online

[Gerben42]

Hi all,

 

I have posted my version of the Fantoni-Nunes system online as a PS or PDF file. Hope you like it :)

 

http://www.geocities.com/gerben47/bridge/fantunes.ps

 

http://www.geocities.com/gerben47/bridge/fantunes.pdf

[Cascade]

This looks good thanks.

 

I can't see that there is a rebid for hands with four diamonds and exactly five clubs that open 1♣.

 

Have I missed something?

[Gerben42]

The idea is to open 1♦, then rebid 2♣ if you are not so strong, or 1NT if you are. In one version I had 2NT opener as those hands but it didn't seem to come up.

 

Thought about it some more after discussion with my partner. 1♣ - 1M - 3♦ is better for this hand than using it as a splinter. With fit you can always just bid 2♦ and advertise your splinter later on.

[cherdano]

Why is this in the Non-Natural System Discussion? Isn't this a very natural system?

 

Arend

[Gerben42]

The same reason Polish Club is in here. In "Natural systems" it's supposed to be SAYC / 2\1 etc.

[luke warm]

nice system, well presented gerben...

 

edit: but that symetric relay precision on your site is suhweeettt

Edited November 13, 2005 by luke warm

[cherdano]

The same reason Polish Club is in here. In "Natural systems" it's supposed to be SAYC / 2\1 etc.

Yes. I was just making the point (ok, this has probably been made before) that this forum is badly named. I can't think of a system with a more natural opening bid structure. (Well ok I could replace your 2NT opening.)

 

Arend

[Gerben42]

:rolleyes: Well EHAA might be more natural. Anyway I think it's very natural system too.

 

You can replace 2NT with something else it's a spare bid anyway. And MisIry is not really needed in this system either since you can just bid one suit (forcing) and then the other. I don't like it natural, but if you want it as such you can have it :)

[Cascade]

The idea is to open 1♦, then rebid 2♣ if you are not so strong, or 1NT if you are. In one version I had 2NT opener as those hands but it didn't seem to come up.

 

Thought about it some more after discussion with my partner. 1♣ - 1M - 3♦ is better for this hand than using it as a splinter. With fit you can always just bid 2♦ and advertise your splinter later on.

This isn't very clear in notes:

 

"

1C 13+ 5+C unb. / 4414 / or 15+ bal.*

1D 13+ 4+D unbal. (4D5C possible)

...

1NT 12 - 14 (semi)bal., 5422, 5M poss."

 

and then under 1D opening

 

"and may include hands with 4D 5C if the

C suit is bad."

 

It wasn't all clear to me that with an ordinary hand like

 

[hv=d=&v=&s=s6haq5dj1086caqj53]133|100|[/hv]

 

that I should open anything other than 1♣ and then it wasn't clear how I should rebid.

 

Are you suggesting opening 1♦ on any 4=5 minor hand?

[Flame]

Where is the FD version :-)

Thanks will try it.

[vang]

very nice, thanks for sharing it!

[kfgauss]

Very nice system and write-up, Gerben!

 

Some comments:

 

It wasn't all clear to me that with an ordinary hand like

 

Dealer: [space] Vul: [space] Scoring: [space]

♠ 6 ♥ AQ5 ♦ J1086 ♣ AQJ53

 

that I should open anything other than 1♣ and then it wasn't clear how I should rebid.

 

Are you suggesting opening 1♦ on any 4=5 minor hand?

This is a very natural system. One is presumably more than welcome to open this hand, which has a good 5-card club suit, 1♣ and then rebid 2♣ over 1♦ or 1♥ (=♠), and raise 1♠ (=♥) to 2♥.

 

Perhaps this should be better documented, but in a writeup of Standard American, one would probably find that the 2m rebids are listed as 6+ but aren't really as well.

 

On a different topic, I'm slightly worried about the very big hands as Gazilli is only 18+ and jump shifts by opener aren't GF. Things are fine if partner has 6+ and can force to game over Gazilli (but still partner won't know quite how big a hand we have), but having to jump after bidding Gazilli when partner shows 0-5 seems likely to hurt.

 

It seems to me that with even wider-ranging 1-bids than standard that one shouldn't use the 3-level bids as one might in a Polish Club system where 1-bids are somewhat limited. I'd argue for at least one of Gazilli and jump shifts being GF. Does anyone know how Fantoni and Nunes bid really big hands?

 

Andy

[Gerben42]

Not sure, this situation seems to "never" come up. Probably since partner is 0 - 5 they just guess the final contract, and they are very good at this. Let me see if I can find any vugraph examples of this.

 

I made some changes and extensions in the updated version:

 

* 2NT opener that will be allowed in more places (strong minor 2-suiter)

* Wrote in some places where you can also bid with 5 cards only and not 6

[Gerben42]

001C=NYYYYYY52815+ balanced / 13+ 4+!C

001CP1D=YYYYYYY0080 - 5 any / 0 - 7 no 4M / 14+ bal.

001CP1DP1H=NYYYYYY235nat. can be 3-5 cards if 15-17 bal.

001CP1DP1S=NYYYYYY235nat. can be 3-5 cards if 15-17 bal.

001CP1DP1N=NYYYYYY220 - 22 balanced

001CP1DP1NP2C=YYYYYYYD08Stayman

001CP1DP1NP2D=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !H

001CP1DP1NP2H=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !S

001CP1DP1NP2S=YYYYYYYB08Weak in minor / invitational for 3NT

001CP1DP1NP2N=YYYYYYY5Both minors weak / strong

001CP1DP1NP3C=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!C

001CP1DP1NP3D=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!D

001CP1DP1NP3N=NYYYYYY1To play

001CP1DP1NP3H=YYYYYYY0333!H 1!S GF

001CP1DP1NP3S=YYYYYYY0333!S 1!H GF

001CP1DP2C=NYYYYYY25813 - 17, 5+!C

001CP1DP2D=YYYYYYY52823+ bal. / GF with !C

001CP1DP2DP2H=YYYYYYYC08Relay

001CP1DP2DP2HP2N=NYYYYYY423 - 25 balanced

001CP1DP2DP2HP2S=YYYYYYY608GF 3-suited short !D (4441, 5440, 5431)

001CP1DP2DP2HP3C=NYYYYYY668GF,6+!C

001CP1DP2DP2HP3D=NYYYYYY648GF, 5!C 4!D

001CP1DP2DP2HP3H=NYYYYYY648GF 5!C 4!H

001CP1DP2DP2HP3S=NYYYYYY648GF 5!C 4!S

001CP1DP2DP2HP3N=NYYYYYY026 - 28 balanced

001CP1DP2H=NYYYYYY508SGF: 5!C 4!H, 3-suiter short !D, 1-suiter !C

001CP1DP2S=NYYYYYY448SGF, 5+!C 4!S

001CP1DP2N=YYYYYYY218 - 20 5+!C 4!D

001CP1DP2NP3C=YYYYYYYB08Puppet Stayman

001CP1DP2NP3D=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !H

001CP1DP2NP3H=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !S

001CP1DP2NP3S=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to 3NT

001CP1DP2NP3N=YYYYYYY25!S 4!H

001CP1DP3C=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, 6+!C

001CP1DP3D=NYYYYYY208SGF 5!C 4!D 2!H 2!S

001CP1DP3H=YYYYYYY408SGF 5!C 4!D 3!H 1!S

001CP1DP3S=YYYYYYY408SGF 5!C 4!D 3!S 1!H

001CP1DP3N=NYYYYYY1Solid !C with side stoppers

001CP1H=YYYYYYY5084+!S, 6+HCP

001CP1HP1S=NYYYYYY548Unbalanced 4+!H

001CP1HP1N=NYYYYYY215 - 17 balanced, no 4!S

001CP1HP1NP2C=YYYYYYYD08Checkback Stayman

001CP1HP1NP2CP2D=YYYYYYYE08Minimum no 3!S

001CP1HP1NP2CP2H=YYYYYYYE08Maximum 3!S

001CP1HP1NP2CP2S=NYYYYYY238Minimum 3!S

001CP1HP1NP2CP2N=NYYYYYYEMaximum no 3!S

001CP1HP1NP2D=NYYYYYY158To play

001CP1HP1NP2H=NYYYYYY2485!S 4!H weak

001CP1HP1NP2S=NYYYYYY158Weak, 5+!S

001CP1HP2C=NYYYYYY26813 - 17, 6+!C

001CP1HP2D=YYYYYYY608Odwrotka: GF, 3+!S

001CP1HP2DP2H=YYYYYYY508Minimum, 4!S

001CP1HP2DP2S=NYYYYYY5449+, 4!S

001CP1HP2DP2N=YYYYYYY5Minimum, 5!S

001CP1HP2DP3C=YYYYYYY6089+, 5!S

001CP1HP2DP3D=YYYYYYY508Minimum, 6+!S

001CP1HP2DP3H=YYYYYYY6089+, 6+!S

001CP1HP2H=YYYYYYY608GF, unbal. <3!S

001CP1HP2HP2S=NYYYYYY5686+!S

001CP1HP2HP2N=YYYYYYYCRelay

001CP1HP2HP3C=NYYYYYY638!C Fit

001CP1HP2S=NYYYYYY238Minimum, 3/4!S

001CP1HP2N=NYYYYYY6GF balanced, no 3-card !S

001CP1HP3C=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6!C 3!S

001CP1HP3D=YYYYYYY6014!S, splinter in !D

001CP1HP3H=YYYYYYY6014!S, splinter in !H

001CP1HP3S=NYYYYYY448Invite, 4-card support

001CP1HP3N=NYYYYYY1Solid !C with side stoppers

001CP1HP4C=YYYYYYY655GF 5!C 4!S 2!H 2!D

001CP1S=YYYYYYY5084+!H, 6+HCP

001CP1SP1N=NYYYYYY215 - 17 balanced, no 4!H

001CP1SP1NP2C=YYYYYYY508Checkback Stayman

001CP1SP1NP2CP2D=YYYYYYYE08Minimum no 3!H

001CP1SP1NP2CP2H=NYYYYYY238Minimum 3!H

001CP1SP1NP2CP2S=YYYYYYY508Maximum 3!H

001CP1SP1NP2CP2N=YYYYYYY5Maximum no 3!H

001CP1SP1NP2D=NYYYYYY158To play

001CP1SP1NP2H=NYYYYYY158Weak, 5+!H

001CP1SP1NP2S=NYYYYYY648GF, 5!H 4!S

001CP1SP2C=NYYYYYY26813 - 17, 6+!C

001CP1SP2D=YYYYYYY608GF, 3+!H

001CP1SP2DP2H=YYYYYYY508Minimum, 4!H

001CP1SP2DP2S=NYYYYYY5449+, 4!H

001CP1SP2DP2N=YYYYYYY5Minimum, 5!H

001CP1SP2DP3C=YYYYYYY6089+, 5!H

001CP1SP2DP3D=YYYYYYY508Minimum, 6+!H

001CP1SP2DP3H=YYYYYYY6089+, 6+!H

001CP1SP2H=YYYYYYY238Minimum, 3/4!H

001CP1SP2S=YYYYYYY608GF, unbal. <3!H

001CP1SP2SP2N=YYYYYYYCRelay

001CP1SP2SP3C=NYYYYYY538!C Fit

001CP1SP2N=NYYYYYY6GF balanced, no 3-card !H

001CP1SP3C=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6!C 3!H

001CP1SP3D=YYYYYYY601Splinter, 4!H short !D

001CP1SP3H=NYYYYYY448Invitational, 4-card support

001CP1SP3S=NYYYYYY701Splinter, 4!H and short !S

001CP1SP3N=NYYYYYY1Solid !C and side stoppers

001CP1SP4C=YYYYYYY658GF, 5!C 4!H 2!D 2!S

001CP1N=NYYYYYY28 - 10 bal.

001CP1NP2C=NYYYYYY158To play

001CP1NP2D=YYYYYYYC08Relay

001CP1NP2DP2H=YYYYYYY6085(+)!C

001CP1NP2DP2S=YYYYYYY6085(+)!D

001CP1NP2DP2N=YYYYYYY64333

001CP1NP2DP3C=YYYYYYY6484!C4!D32

001CP1NP2H=NYYYYYY648GF 4!H

001CP1NP2S=NYYYYYY648GF 4!S

001CP1NP2N=NYYYYYY4Invite

001CP1NP3C=NYYYYYY6686+!C GF

001CP2C=NYYYYYY658GF, 5+!C

001CP2D=NYYYYYY658GF, 5+!D

001CP2H=YYYYYYY2586 - 9, 5!H 4!S

001CP2S=YYYYYYY408Invitational, 5+4+ minors

001CP2N=YYYYYYY6GF, 5!H/!S 332

001CP2NP3C=YYYYYYYD08Asks which major

001CP2NP3D=YYYYYYYA085!H

001CP2NP3H=YYYYYYYA085!S

001CP3C=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!C

001CP3D=NYYYYYY408Invitational, 6+!D

001CP3N=NYYYYYY111 - 13 bal. stopper in !H and !S

001CP3H=YYYYYYY53811 - 13 bal. stopper in !H not !S

001CP3S=YYYYYYY63811 - 13 bal., stopper in !S not !H

001D=NYYYYYY54813+, 4+!D unbalanced

001DP1H=YYYYYYY5080+ HCP, 4+!S

001DP1HP1S=YYYYYYY50813 - 20 4+!H

001DP1HP1N=YYYYYYY518+ any

001DP1HP2C=NYYYYYY24813 - 17 both minors

001DP1HP2D=NYYYYYY26813 - 17 6+!D

001DP1HP2H=NYYYYYY24818 - 20, 6!D 4!H

001DP1HP2S=NYYYYYY23813 - 17, 4(3)-card support

001DP1HP2N=NYYYYYY218 - 20, semisolid !D

001DP1HP3C=NYYYYYY25815 - 15, 5!D 5!C

001DP1HP3D=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, 6!D 3!S

001DP1HP3H=YYYYYYY601Splinter, 21+ 4!S 1!H

001DP1HP3S=NYYYYYY44818 - 20, 4-card support

001DP1HP3N=NYYYYYY2Solid !D and side stoppers

001DP1S=YYYYYYY5080+HCP, 4+!H

001DP1SP1N=YYYYYYY518+ any

001DP1SP2C=NYYYYYY24813 - 17 both minors

001DP1SP2D=NYYYYYY26813 - 17 6+!D

001DP1SP2H=NYYYYYY23813 - 17, 4(3)-card support

001DP1SP2S=NYYYYYY24818 - 20, 6!D 4!S

001DP1SP2N=NYYYYYY218 - 20, semisolid !D

001DP1SP3C=NYYYYYY25815 - 15, 5!D 5!C

001DP1SP3D=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, 6!D 3!H

001DP1SP3H=YYYYYYY44418 - 20, 4!H

001DP1SP3S=NYYYYYY50121+, splinter 4!H 1!S

001DP1SP3N=NYYYYYY2Solid !D and side stoppers

001DP1N=NYYYYYY20 - 8, no 4-card major

001DP1NP2C=NYYYYYY24813 - 20, both minors

001DP1NP2D=NYYYYYY25813 - 20, 5+!D

001DP1NP2N=NYYYYYY6GF

001DP1NP3C=NYYYYYY548SGF, both minors

001DP1NP2H=NYYYYYY548SGF, 4+!D 4!H

001DP1NP2S=NYYYYYY548SGF, 4+!D 4!S

001DP1NP3D=NYYYYYY268SGF, 6+!D

001DP1NP3H=NYYYYYY658GF 2-suiter !D!H

001DP1NP3S=NYYYYYY658GF 2-suiter !D!S

001DP2C=NYYYYYY5489+, 4+!C

001DP2CP2D=NYYYYYY5585+!D, possibly min.

001DP2CP2H=YYYYYYY5081!C444 / nat. reverse / GF !C Fit

001DP2CP2HP2S=YYYYYYYC08Relay

001DP2CP2S=NYYYYYY648Natural reverse

001DP2CP2N=YYYYYYY616 - 18 1!C444

001DP2CP3C=NYYYYYY238Minimum !C fit

001DP2CP3D=NYYYYYY568GF 6+!D

001DP2D=NYYYYYY5489+ HCP, 4+!D

001DP2H=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!H

001DP2S=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!S

001DP2N=NYYYYYY4Invitational balanced

001DP3C=YYYYYYY3086 - 8, 4+!D

001DP3D=NYYYYYY9580 - 5, 5+!D

001DP3N=NYYYYYY111 - 13 balanced

001H=NYYYYYY55813+, 5+!H, 18+ if balanced

001HP1S=YYYYYYY5040 - 10, 0 - 4!S, 3!H poss.

001HP1SP1N=NYYYYYY213 - 17, 4!S

001HP1SP2C=YYYYYYY508Gazilli: 13 - 17, 4+!C or 18+

001HP1SP2CP2D=YYYYYYY5086+ any

001HP1SP2CP2H=NYYYYYY1280 - 5, 2+!H

001HP1SP2D=NYYYYYY24813 - 17, 4+!D

001HP1SP2H=NYYYYYY26813 - 17, 6+!H

001HP1SP2S=NYYYYYY04818+, 6!H 4!S

001HP1SP2N=YYYYYYY518+, 6 - 4 or 5 - 5 !H + minor

001HP1SP3C=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5

001HP1SP3D=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5

001HP1SP3H=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, semisolid !H

001HP1N=YYYYYYY55+!S

001HP1NP2C=YYYYYYY508Gazilli: 13 - 17, 4+!C or 18+

001HP1NP2CP2D=YYYYYYY5086+ any

001HP1NP2CP2H=NYYYYYY1280 - 5, 2+!H

001HP1NP2D=NYYYYYY24813 - 17, 4+!D

001HP1NP2H=NYYYYYY26813 - 17, 6+!H

001HP1NP2S=NYYYYYY23813 - 17, 3+!S

001HP1NP2N=YYYYYYY518+, 6 - 4 or 5 - 5 !H + minor

001HP1NP2NP3C=YYYYYYYC08Relay

001HP1NP3C=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5

001HP1NP3D=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5

001HP1NP3H=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, semisolid !H

001HP1NP3S=NYYYYYY43818 - 20, 3+!S

001HP2C=NYYYYYY638GF, 5+!C or balanced

001HP2D=NYYYYYY658GF, 5+!D

001HP2H=NYYYYYY3386 - 8, 3+!H

001HP2S=NYYYYYY268Invitational, 6+!S

001HP2N=NYYYYYY612+, 4+!H

001HP3C=YYYYYYY5089 - 11, 4+!H

001HP3D=YYYYYYY4086 - 8, 4+!H

001HP3H=NYYYYYY9480 - 5, 4+!H

001S=NYYYYYY55813+, 5+!S, 18+ if balanced

001SP1N=YYYYYYY50 - 10, 3!S possible

001SP1NP2C=YYYYYYY508Gazilli: 13 - 17 4+!S or 18+

001SP1NP2CP2D=YYYYYYY5086+ any

001SP1NP2CP2S=NYYYYYY1280 - 5, 2+!S

001SP1NP2CP2H=NYYYYYY2580 - 5, 5+!H

001SP1NP2D=NYYYYYY24813 - 17, 4+!D

001SP1NP2H=NYYYYYY24813 - 17, 4+!H

001SP1NP2S=NYYYYYY26813 - 17, 6+!S

001SP1NP2N=YYYYYYY518+, 6-4 or 5-5 !S + minor

001SP1NP3C=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5

001SP1NP3D=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5

001SP1NP3H=NYYYYYY25815 - 17, 5 - 5

001SP1NP3S=NYYYYYY26818 - 20, semisolid !S

001SP2C=NYYYYYY638GF, 5+!C or balanced

001SP2D=NYYYYYY658GF, 5+!D

001SP2H=NYYYYYY658GF, 5+!H

001SP2S=NYYYYYY3386 - 8, 3+!S

001SP2N=YYYYYYY612+, 4+!S

001SP3C=YYYYYYY5089 - 11, 4+!S

001SP3D=YYYYYYY4486 - 8, 4+!S

001SP3H=NYYYYYY468Invitational, 6+!H

001SP3S=NYYYYYY9480 - 5, 4+!S

001N=NYYYYYY312 - 14, 5M or 5422 possible

001NP2C=YYYYYYY508Stayman

001NP2D=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !H

001NP2H=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !S

001NP2S=YYYYYYYC08Inv NT or weak !C/!D or looking for 5!h/!S

001NP2SP2N=NYYYYYY2Minimum

001NP2SP2NP3C=NYYYYYY158To play

001NP2SP2NP3D=NYYYYYY158To play

001NP2SP2NP3H=NYYYYYY6383-card !H

001NP2SP2NP3HP3S=YYYYYYY608No 5-card major

001NP2SP2NP3HP3N=YYYYYYY25!S, no 5!H

001NP2SP2NP3S=NYYYYYY6383-card !S

001NP2SP2NP3N=NYYYYYY1To play

001NP2SP3C=YYYYYYY208Maximum

001NP2SP3CP3D=NYYYYYY158To play

001NP2SP3CP3H=NYYYYYY6383-card !H

001NP2SP3CP3HP3S=YYYYYYY608No 5-card major

001NP2SP3CP3HP3N=YYYYYYY25!S, no 5!H

001NP2SP3CP3S=NYYYYYY6383-card !S

001NP2SP3CP3N=NYYYYYY1To play

001NP2N=NYYYYYY5Both minors, weak or strong

001NP3C=NYYYYYY468Invite, 6+!C

001NP3D=NYYYYYY468Invite, 6+!D

001NP3N=NYYYYYY1To play

001NP3H=YYYYYYY6333!H 1!S GF

001NP3S=YYYYYYY6333!S 1!H GF

001NP4D=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !H

001NP4H=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !S

001NP4S=YYYYYYY708Ace Asking

001NP4C=YYYYYYY6085+!H 5+!S

001NP4N=NYYYYYY4Quantitative

002C=NYYYYYY2589 - 12, 5+!C unbal.

002CP2D=YYYYYYY508Relay

002CP2H=NYYYYYY258NF, 5+!H

002CP2S=NYYYYYY258NF, 5+!S

002CP2N=YYYYYYY4Inv. 5!S 4!H

002CP3C=NYYYYYY248Preemptive

002CP3D=NYYYYYY468Inv. 6+!D

002CP3H=NYYYYYY468Inv. 6+!H

002CP3S=NYYYYYY468Inv. 6+!S

002CP3N=NYYYYYY1To play

002D=NYYYYYY2589 - 12, 5+!D unbal.

002DP2H=YYYYYYY508Relay

002DP2S=NYYYYYY548GF, 4+!S

002DP2N=YYYYYYY5Inv+ with !C or GF one or both 5M

002DP3C=YYYYYYY408Inv. 5+!S 5+!H

002DP3D=NYYYYYY948Preemptive

002DP3H=NYYYYYY468Inv. 6+!H

002DP3S=NYYYYYY468Inv. 6+!S

002DP3N=NYYYYYY1To play

002H=NYYYYYY2589 - 12, 5+!H unbal.

002HP2S=YYYYYYY508Relay

002HP2N=YYYYYYY5Invite+, 5+!S

002HP3C=NYYYYYY408Invite, 6+!C

002HP3D=NYYYYYY468Invite, 6+!D

002HP3H=NYYYYYY948Preemptive

002HP3S=NYYYYYY668GF, 6+!S

002HP3N=NYYYYYY1To play

002S=NYYYYYY2589 - 12, 5+!S unbal.

002SP2N=YYYYYYY5Relay

002SP3C=YYYYYYY508Forcing, 5+!H

002SP3D=NYYYYYY468Invite, 6+!D

002SP3H=NYYYYYY568GF, 6+!C

002SP3S=NYYYYYY948Preemptive

002SP3N=NYYYYYY1To play

002N=YYYYYYY218 - 19 bal. no 5M

002NP3C=YYYYYYY508Strong Stayman

002NP3CP3N=NYYYYYY24!H 4!S

002NP3CP3S=NYYYYYY3444!S no 4!H

002NP3CP3H=YYYYYYY3444!H no 4!S

002NP3CP3D=YYYYYYY308no 4!H/!S

002NP3D=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !H

002NP3H=YYYYYYYA08Transfer to !S

002NP3N=NYYYYYY25!S 4!H NF

002NP3S=YYYYYYYA08To play 3NT, strong minor 1-suiter

002NP3SP3N=NYYYYYYBForced

002NP3SP3NP4C=YYYYYYY708RKCB !C

002NP3SP3NP4D=YYYYYYY708RKCB !D

Edited November 14, 2005 by Gerben42

[cherdano]

Gerben, can you say a bit more about your experience with the 2-level openings? Scotty (Michael Rosenberg) had the comment on vuegraph that they "... are somewhat unsound, but difficult to play against."

 

Is maybe part of the difficulty that, as opponent, it is not so clear whether one is mostly competing for a part-score (as after a standard one-level opening) or trying to get to game (as after a standard two-level opening)?

 

Arend

[Gerben42]

First on big hands opposite nothing: Guess they just guess the contract:

 

[hv=w=saq9852hak86da2c5&e=sht74dt8654cj9843]266|100|[/hv]

 

Bermuda Bowl Final 2003, board 61.

1♠ - 1NT

2♣ - 2NT

3♠ - Pass

 

2 down when ♠ broke 5 - 2.

 

At the other table Soloway opened a strong ♣, Versace overcalled 1♦, Hamman passed and Lauria bid 1♠. Then Soloway passed :D

[luke warm]

gerben, thanks for the FD file... maybe i just didn't see it but the 1M says "5+ or 18+ if balanced"... what is a 3=5=2=3 15 count?

[Gerben42]

About the 2-level openings, I'm sure Luis can confirm this: Most of the times you know where your side is going, opponents are usually not so sure (as Michael Rosenberg also suggested).

 

Sometimes you yourself don't know where you are going, but even then opponents feel obliged to join in, sometimes helping you solve your evaluation problem, sometimes helping you by bidding something that you can double :D

 

Over the course of one league season (2nd Bundesliga) we missed our own game in a side suit once but opponents got in trouble (miss game, bid hopeless game, or bid wrong game) much more. The part score swings seemed to even out. We didn't get hit for an expensive penalty.

[Gerben42]

what is a 3=5=2=3 15 count?

 

Open 1♣. The Italians seem to open this 1M but I don't know what they do after the forcing 1NT...

[luke warm]

thanks (i still love that symetric precision, putting it in FD as i get the time)... btw, you don't happen to have WJ05 in FD, do you? you do a lot of work already, so it's understandable if you don't

[Gerben42]

Found one board where they have 5M332 and 16.

 

Nunes opened, Fantoni bid 1NT and Nunes passed. That's a solution :D

He made 3 anyway, other table they opened a 15 - 17 1NT, got to 3NT and went down 1. Guess if your teammates defend so well, you don't need to bid 3NT.

[Gerben42]

Found another:

 

[hv=w=saqjt9hkda93cak87&e=s65hjt742d862c642]266|100|[/hv]

 

1♠ - 1NT

2♣ - 2♥

2NT - Pass

[luis]

Nice writeup Gerben,

As some of you know I've been playing Fantunes with my pd here in Argentina for about 1 year now, we started in November 2004. Both my pd and I used to be too undisciplined to be able to play together, the tight 14+ 1 level openings and 9-13 2 level openings let us bid a lot as we like but we have a better control of what is going on. We are also using Keri over our 12-14 NT openings and some good results must be attributed to Keri.

 

Some assorted comments I have about this system so far:

- The 2 level openings generate a lot of good results for us, the most typical examples are FAST arrivals to games that work as a save against something they can't find or thet prevent them from saving since they have no way to get in.

- The 1 level openings are very good for slam investigations, we are not using Turbo as F&N just normal cuebidding and keycard, no big difference I think.

- For some strange reason some players can't get used to 2♣ showing clubs, one player actually asked if that was legal, it was quite funny.

- After a 1-level opening showing where your values are is sometimes better than showing the distribution of the hand, specially when deciding between 3NT and 4M.

- From time to time we have missed a game when opening at the 2 level

 

Luis

[Chamaco]

Some assorted comments I have about this system so far:

- The 2 level openings generate a lot of good results for us, the most typical examples are FAST arrivals to games that work as a save against something they can't find or thet prevent them from saving since they have no way to get in.

- The 1 level openings are very good for slam investigations, we are not using Turbo as F&N just normal cuebidding and keycard, no big difference I think.

- For some strange reason some players can't get used to 2♣ showing clubs, one player actually asked if that was legal, it was quite funny.

- After a 1-level opening showing where your values are is sometimes better than showing the distribution of the hand, specially when deciding between 3NT and 4M.

- From time to time we have missed a game when opening at the 2 level

 

Luis

I think the original FN system is very good for:

 

- opening at the 2-level with a high frequency: 9-12/13 (even lower bound if 3rd hand) are most frequent;

- handling big hands without worries for interference;

- finding 14+10 hcp (or equivalent) hands.

 

Some downsides are:

 

- close games where we have 12 vs 12 (or bad 13 vs good 10/11) are hard to reach (or otherwise, easy to land in a silly one), especially when the bad 13 is opened at the 2 level;

- 2 level opening might lead to wrong partscores

- the 1C opener encompasses contiguous range of balanced hands, which I find non-optimal in contested auctions (especially 4th hand interference); I wonder whether the Mexican 2D coule be inserted in the system without making it too awkward; that would leave only 1 range of balanced hands in the 1C opener.

Indeed, another solution could be to open 2NT on 18-19 hands so that the 1C opener is (when balanced) 15-17 or 20+.

There are quite a few 1st league italian players who are opening 2NT with 18-19 (and using the Mexican 2D with 20-21 hands), so I guess opening 2NT with 18-19 is not such a crime :D

 

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To tell the truth about Rosenberg's comment during Vugraph (Fantunes 2-level openings "somewhat unsound but hard to play against"), I suspect that several of his comments were more motivated by emotional reasons rather than anything else: another example of this type of comment was when he stated that he always found the italian cuebidding style as unsound.

And these examples were not the only ones.

But who am I to argue with Rosenberg ? :D

[Gerben42]

One great success was to find a 7NT with 24 and 4414 opposite 9 (♥KQJT9x and a side K) in our first tournament playing this.

 

After 1♣ opening I admitted to having a good hand with ♥ and we kept on going until the box was empty :angry: I guessed partner must've been strong, and he was...

 

Luis just a question:

 

Do you use Gazilli and if so, how do you handle 5M332 hands with 16 points or so?

 

For some strange reason some players can't get used to 2♣ showing clubs, one player actually asked if that was legal, it was quite funny.

 

I've had the same experience... People asking what our 2-bids really are after seeing the CC. Couldn't believe 2x simply shows that suit, esp. 2♣.