Pass or pull

[whereagles]

Matchpoints, adv opps, you hold

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sqxxxhatxxxdakxxc]133|100|Scoring: MP

RHO you LHO pard

pass 1♥ pass 1♠

2♣ .. 2♠ . 3♣ dbl

pass ..?[/hv]

Pard's double is for penalties (it doesn't need to be KQJT, though). Pass or pull?

[kgr]

3♦: this says: partner I don't have ♣'s, I have more then I promised till now (otherwise I would bid 3♠). Please choose between 3 and 4♠.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

3S, which I should have bid the

round before, maybe going over

2NT, if a direct bid would be forcing,

now partner wont believe me,

that I am inviting to game.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[ochinko]

I pass. There are better ways to end a partnership than insulting partner with pulling his penalty double.

 

I don't mind if passing is a losing decision here. In a long term it seems right, unless you support with 3 cards only.

 

Petko

[Finch]

I would have bid 3S last round.

[PMetsch]

4♠, it must have a chance if partner is not minimum. I would have bid 3♠ on the previous round and I guess partner would have bid game.

[Guest Jlall]

2S is one of the grossest underbids I've seen. That being said, I am glad I did it because I will confidently pass this X. I trust my partner, and when he Xs them after they have bid and raised a suit, he has trumps. I have AK A in the suit we did not bid and raise, and I will happily pass. I expect a big number, and consider a pull here an insult.

[mikeh]

This could be 500 or so, altho 300 may be all we get. I am very happy to be on lead. Almost happy enough to overcome the nausea induced by seeing that the 3♠ bidding card I intended to put down a round earlier is still in the bidding box.

 

I have all this stuff and partner doubled, expecting me to hold a slightly weaker hand? I think my ♦K makes up for any missing ♣ (which in any event may be resting nicely in partner's hand). I am going to tell partner I was setting a trap with my 2♠ underbid ;)

 

Oh... my answer is.... Pass

[Winstonm]

Partner's bid screams that he has both 4 poor spades and 4 or more goodish clubs.

 

I'd expect this hand.

 

9xxx

Kx

xxx

AQ9x

 

Pass and expect to beat it 2 tricks.

[Al_U_Card]

2S is one of the grossest underbids I've seen. That being said, I am glad I did it because I will confidently pass this X. I trust my partner, and when he Xs them after they have bid and raised a suit, he has trumps. I have AK A in the suit we did not bid and raise, and I will happily pass. I expect a big number, and consider a pull here an insult.

Would 3C be appropriate with this hand or is 3S clearer and better?

[Guest Jlall]

Would 3C be appropriate with this hand or is 3S clearer and better?

3S is just right imo. 3C is too much and also doesnt promise spades initially.

[Fluffy]

bidding 2♠ was dubious, but having to live with it I wouldn't let 3♣X play.

[Rebound]

I raised and partner still doubles for penalty? Pass for sure.

[pclayton]

Who called the reality police? If Whereeagles says its penalty, I happily pass.

 

BUT, do you play it that way in YOUR partnership? I sure don't. Doubles at the 3 level are cooperative, after we have raised. It says: I probably have 3 of their suit, and I am happy if you compete to 3♠ or if you want to defend 3♣ x'd. A typical hand is: Axxx, xx, Qxxx, Axx.

 

Do we miss out on the bonanza when pard holds a giant stack? Sure. But the frequency of the cooperative double is FAR more common.

 

I generally don't leave in cooperative doubles with a void, but there's a few appealing things to this hand; my quick tricks and my A♥ across from pard's shortness. If its a short event, I'll pass, but if I'm in a qualifying situation I will certainly pull.

 

Of course this is a clear 3♠ call, even without the overcall.

[Guest Jlall]

Who called the reality police? If Whereeagles says its penalty, I happily pass.

 

BUT, do you play it that way in YOUR partnership?

Yes, whereagles said it was penalties. This is also how I would play it in my partnership.

 

I don't see how you could ever "get" them with the hand you posted for a "cooperative" X. They have a fit, and the trumps are breaking 3-2. Will pard ever sit?

[whereagles]

Well, pard had

 

♠ KJxx

♥ xx

♦ Jxx

♣ QJ8x

 

as it happened, dummy had ♠Txxx ♥KQx ♦Qxx ♣Kxx. Declarer lost a club, a heart and 2 diamonds. Draw your own conclusions :)

[Guest Jlall]

Well, pard had

 

♠ KJxx

♥ xx

♦ Jxx

♣ QJ8x

 

as it happened, dummy had ♠Txxx ♥KQx ♦Qxx ♣Kxx. Declarer lost a club, a heart and 2 diamonds. Draw your own conclusions :)

the defense was really bad?

[bearmum]

for the sake of partnership harmony I pass -- as I do not have a good enough reason to pull it :)

[Fluffy]

My conclusion is that partner led the ♣Q, can't see any otherr way of making this contract.

[Chamaco]

2S is one of the grossest underbids I've seen.

 

Was about to write the same before I read the other posts.

Of course I agree.

 

That being said, I am glad I did it because I will confidently pass this X. I trust my partner, and when he Xs them after they have bid and raised a suit, he has trumps. I have AK A in the suit we did not bid and raise, and I will happily pass. I expect a big number, and consider a pull here an insult.

 

Yes but I would be very nervous.

The previous underbid left me in an awkward guessing position, e.g. if we set them much we are likely to have slam on, whereas if we have 4S, there are good chances that we set them only 2 tricks.

[Chamaco]

as it happened, dummy had ♠Txxx ♥KQx ♦Qxx ♣Kxx. Declarer lost a club, a heart and 2 diamonds. Draw your own conclusions :angry:

The conclusion is that:

 

1) the jump to 3S would have avoided altogether the problem

2) pard does not have a penalty double.

[Trpltrbl]

I would have bid 3♠ first time around.

Now I have to pass, I have 3 tricks in 2 suits and pd doubles for penalty, probably a more corperative double imo, but anyway :lol:

 

GBB :lol:

[Trpltrbl]

Well, pard had

 

♠ KJxx

♥ xx

♦ Jxx

♣ QJ8x

 

as it happened, dummy had ♠Txxx ♥KQx ♦Qxx ♣Kxx. Declarer lost a club, a heart and 2 diamonds. Draw your own conclusions :lol:

Obviously, my pd needs a few lessons about penalty doubles opposite a minimum pd and also some defending lessons.

 

GBB :lol:

[SchTsch]

My conclusion is that partner led the ♣Q, can't see any otherr way of making this contract.

You are on the lead so it's not very likely that the opening lead was ♣Q

[whereagles]

The defense slipped because a few high cards were cashed before forcing declarer on spades.

 

Still, I don't really agree with QJ8x not being a good "penalty double". I think it's a reasonable penalty double. Because of the following reasons:

 

1. Clubs were bid and supported. Unless opponents are joking, they rate to have at least a half-decent fit. (These particular opponents were aggressive but not reckless.)

 

2. Other than the marginal spade fit, the rest of the hand looks like doesn't fit very well (heart misfit, minor honors in diamonds, wastage in clubs...).

 

3. If you're willing to wait until you have QJT9x or KQJT to make a "good penalty double", you better take a chair and sit down, because you're going to wait a LOT of time for that holding in opps suit :D

 

To me the conclusion is bid what your hand is worth (3♠) and THEN think about yielding the axe.