Partner opens 1NT and you are weak

[the hog]

add mode

 

The hand is a good commercial for a KERI 2♣

 

/add mode :rolleyes:

Agreed

[MickyB]

- I should have asked what the 1NT bidder does bid with 2 4-cards M. If that is 2NT then ok, if 2H then it smells a lot like preparing for weak stayman and an alert would have been appropriate.

Is "weak Stayman" really alertable where you are?

[Flame]

- I should have asked what the 1NT bidder does bid with 2 4-cards M. If that is 2NT then ok, if 2H then it smells a lot like preparing for weak stayman and an alert would have been appropriate.

Is "weak Stayman" really alertable where you are?

It is where i live , every 2C that doesnt promiss 4 card major and invite hand need to be alerted and i doubt its shouldnt be alerted where you live but this is just guessing.

[david_c]

Is "weak Stayman" really alertable where you are?

Well, it doesn't show clubs, does it? :rolleyes:

 

Seriously, it wouldn't be too surprising if it was alertable. Similarly, if there are people in England who play Stayman the French way, that will be alertable here even after the new regulations come in.

[Flame]

Is "weak Stayman" really alertable where you are?

Well, it doesn't show clubs, does it? :rolleyes:

 

Seriously, it wouldn't be too surprising if it was alertable. Similarly, if there are people in England who play Stayman the French way, that will be alertable here even after the new regulations come in.

AS i see it there is only 1 definition which isnt alert all other must be alerted, this mean if better minor isnt alerted then 4 card 1♦ must be alerted, and if normal stayman inst alerted then all other 2C must be alerted

[Kalvan14]

In Australia, you have to alert 2♣ [after all it does not show 4 cards in clubs].

I know it is funny, but...

OTOH, X and XX are not alertable....

[42]

Here is another problem:

opening is 1NT (15-17) and you hold[hv=d=n&v=b&s=sj10xxhkxxxxdxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]

Stayman or transfer?

 

+ Stayman:

-> possible ♠-fit. If p bids 2♦ and you bid fit-fishing weak 2♥, p probably passes because the ♥s are better or he has 2♠s and 3♥s

- Stayman:

-> if p bids 2♦ and you bid fit-fishing weak 2♥, he might bid 2♠ and you play in a 34 fit although you have a 53 fit in ♥

-> when your side has no ♠-fit you are forced to ruff on the longer side and lose control; or opps play ♠ whenever they can and in the end you play "NT"

 

+ transfer:

-> partner might have 3+♥s. Even if not, the 25-fit is better than a 34♠-fit in this case

- transfer:

-> you might miss a 44♠-fit

 

I think that transfer is better.

Caren

[MickyB]

Caren, pard should pass after 1N:2C, 2D:2H with equal length in the majors. It is debatable whether he should correct with 3S2H.

 

The advantage to just transferring is that it gives them less info about the hand - this should make the defence slightly harder and they might balance into spades.

[42]

Caren, pard should pass after 1N:2C, 2D:2H with equal length in the majors. It is debatable whether he should correct with 3S2H.

I think that p "corrects" to ♠ with equal length because the stronger hand declares, the "known" hand is dummy. I would :D

[pclayton]

I don't know if garbage stayman or invitational at the 2 level are standard. I much prefer garbage stayman for the original hand or Caren's hand.

 

My experience is very positive for getting out of 1N on a very weak semibalanced hand, even if we end up in a 4-3. Quite frequently, our doubleton will be the opponents source of tricks vs 1N, and it netralizes their long suit in our suit contract.

[Guest Jlall]

Caren, pard should pass after 1N:2C, 2D:2H with equal length in the majors.

Definitely agree with this. Partner can be 4-5, but not for this auction.

 

On the other hand...

 

It is debatable whether he should correct with 3S2H.

 

Definitely disagree with this. If pard is 4-5 there is little difference in what you choose (hearts is probably slightly better but who knows), but partner could also be 5-5.

 

Both of these examples illustrate a good general principle, if you have 2 fits that are potentially equal, but one is potentially longer, always go with the one that is potentially longer. Suit quality/5-2 vs 4-3 etc is secondary.

[MickyB]

Yup, I decided that after posting! In practice I'd always have corrected in case partner was 4-4.

[Kalvan14]

I was under the impression tha garbage Stayman requires a pass in any case by the 2♣ bidder.

If you rebid 2♥ over 2♦, it shows an invitational Smolen (5♥/4♠).

I may be wrong, but 2 bids on a garbage stayman look at least one too many :lol:

[Fluffy]

Here is another problem:

opening is 1NT (15-17) and you hold[hv=d=n&v=b&s=sj10xxhkxxxxdxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]

Stayman or transfer?

 

+ Stayman:

-> possible ♠-fit. If p bids 2♦ and you bid fit-fishing weak 2♥, p probably passes because the ♥s are better or he has 2♠s and 3♥s

- Stayman:

-> if p bids 2♦ and you bid fit-fishing weak 2♥, he might bid 2♠ and you play in a 34 fit although you have a 53 fit in ♥

-> when your side has no ♠-fit you are forced to ruff on the longer side and lose control; or opps play ♠ whenever they can and in the end you play "NT"

 

+ transfer:

-> partner might have 3+♥s. Even if not, the 25-fit is better than a 34♠-fit in this case

- transfer:

-> you might miss a 44♠-fit

 

I think that transfer is better.

Caren

I would add that 2♦ adds the risk of partner bidding 3. nevermind, I still think 2♦ is correct.

[Flame]

I was under the impression tha garbage Stayman requires a pass in any case by the 2♣ bidder.

If you rebid 2♥ over 2♦, it shows an invitational Smolen (5♥/4♠).

I may be wrong, but 2 bids on a garbage stayman look at least one too many :lol:

No it show weak smolen not invite.