Hand Evaluation

[fred]

unless i misunderstood what fred wrote, he still plays 2C as game forcing...

I cannot speak for fred but I'd guess he can play 2N or 3S or 2H (2C-2H-2N-p, 2C-2H-2S-3S, 2C-2H-p).

This is what I do:

 

- Definition of 2H negative is a hand that will either Pass a 2NT rebid or transfer to 3 of a major and then Pass.

- After 2H negative, opener has to keep bidding new suits to force. 2C-2H-3H counts as a new suit.

- Opener is allowed to pass 2H, but that doesn't happen very often.

- None of responder's rebids are forcing after he makes a 2H negative response

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

[Fluffy]

I would open 1♠ planing torebid 2NT GF :)

[Winstonm]

Partner and I developed this set of responses, and I offer them for your amusement and use if anyone wishes to enhance.

 

2C-2D Waiting or negative, 0-15 but denies more than KK in controls.

2H=22-23 NT, passable with hearts or may correct to drop dead 2S

a)2N to play

b)3C puppet

c)3D/H transfers

d)3S puppet to 3N

e)3N- up for grabs...whatever you decide it should be.

2S=any 1 suited hand

a) responder bids 2N with unbalanced 6+.

b) 3C second negative with 0-5

c) 3D balanced hand pattern with 6+.

2N=25-26 nt (24 nt swing high or low based on judgement)

3C=two suiter clubs/hearts with game virtually assured in hearts opposite xx.

3D=two suiter diamonds/hearts as above

3H=two suiter in the majors as above

3S=two suiter in spades and diamonds as above

3N=solid minor 9 trick hand...one suit may be open.

4C=two suiter in spades and clubs as above.

 

Positve responses in suits are all transfers and show 5+ length and at minimum 2 prime covers, AK or AA:

 

2C-2H=spades

2S=hearts

2N=clubs

3C=diamonds

Opener's acceptance asks suit quality. Steps a la Precision.

 

2C-3D on up.

 

Balanced hands showing controls beginning with:

3D=Two prime cards, either AA or AK

3H=3 disconnected prime covers, A, K, K or A, A, K

3S=AK of spades and 1 other prime cover, A or K

3N=3 kings.

4C=AK of clubs and 1 other prime cover

4D=AK of diamonds and 1 other prime cover

4H=AK of hearts and 1 other prime cover.

 

If responder holds 4 prime covers, slam is virtually assured so he starts the auction with 2D and makes an impossible following bid such as 4N.

[pigpenz]

unless i misunderstood what fred wrote, he still plays 2C as game forcing...

I cannot speak for fred but I'd guess he can play 2N or 3S or 2H (2C-2H-2N-p, 2C-2H-2S-3S, 2C-2H-p).

This is what I do:

 

- Definition of 2H negative is a hand that will either Pass a 2NT rebid or transfer to 3 of a major and then Pass.

- After 2H negative, opener has to keep bidding new suits to force. 2C-2H-3H counts as a new suit.

- Opener is allowed to pass 2H, but that doesn't happen very often.

- None of responder's rebids are forcing after he makes a 2H negative response

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

yes Fred this makes the most sense, I tend to go out of my way to bid 2♦ waiting before i would bid 2♥ negative.

 

So Fred over

2♣ pass 2♥ pass

3minor is this forcing for one more bid or not??

 

where 2♥ is negative, and 2♦ is waiting

[inquiry]

unless i misunderstood what fred wrote, he still plays 2C as game forcing...

I cannot speak for fred but I'd guess he can play 2N or 3S or 2H (2C-2H-2N-p, 2C-2H-2S-3S, 2C-2H-p).

This is what I do:

 

- Definition of 2H negative is a hand that will either Pass a 2NT rebid or transfer to 3 of a major and then Pass.

- After 2H negative, opener has to keep bidding new suits to force. 2C-2H-3H counts as a new suit.

- Opener is allowed to pass 2H, but that doesn't happen very often.

- None of responder's rebids are forcing after he makes a 2H negative response

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

yes Fred this makes the most sense, I tend to go out of my way to bid 2♦ waiting before i would bid 2♥ negative.

 

So Fred over

2♣ pass 2♥ pass

3minor is this forcing for one more bid or not??

 

where 2♥ is negative, and 2♦ is waiting

Pig...

 

Fred said...

- After 2H negative, opener has to keep bidding new suits to force. 2C-2H-3H counts as a new suit.

 

In this context,

2C-2H-3D is a NEW suit thus, must be forcing, and

2C-2H-3C is a "new suit" even thoough clubs was bid before and would be forcing.

 

So yes, after 2H negative, 3m by opener is forcing

[kenberg]

I voted for 2C, assuming what is probably now viewed as archaic, namely that the bidding could proceed

2C 2D

2S 3C

3S Pass

 

If 2C followed by 2S is totally game forcing I a. wouldn't like it and b. would probably settle for 1S opening. I have less to no experience with 2C-2H as the bust but I assume that you can then get out in 3S so that would still be fine. Assuming I play any system where I can open 2C, bid and rebid spades, and where partner can first warn me he is weak and then pass 3S, I open 2C.

 

I play 2C in a very non-rigid, non-scientific but fairly practical way: If I can imagine a fair numer of hands, not just the perfect hand, where 1S could well be passed out making 4, I open 2C. That's the case here. With a lower ranking suit, I am more likely to open one of the suit for two reasons: The opponents are more likely to come to my rescue with a bid of their own if my partner lacks the ability to respond and, on other types of hands where the opponents are in there preemptively with their spades, I have at least got my suit in. 1D-(2S)-Pass -(3S) may be easier to cope with than 2C-(2S)-Pass -(3S). Also if I open the hand 2C and pard responds 2D, he might get to declare it. It's my hand and I want to play it.

 

k