pigpenz Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 auction:2♣ 2♥*4♣ you opps silent* total negative your call?[hv=d=w&v=e&s=sj10765h1076dqc10543]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 hmm 5clubs seems easy, must be missing something?Not sure how you play 2h here. Deny A or K but can have 12 tiny hcp or some 0-3 hcp is the limit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I say "Yikes, I need to buy cigarrettes"Then I stand up and hurry to the door and they will never see me again...Seriously what the heck is 4♣ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 No 4♣ is not splinter in support of hearts. It establishes trumps and is forcing. You have a ruffing value (diamonds) and a fit, cue-bid 4♦. I read the other thread with this hand by the way, you would have had trouble with the director I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Partner's 4C shows a massive hand and requests we cue bid a second round control (assuming 2H meant we cannot have a first round control). I'm not sure what "total negative" means, but I imagine I cue bid 4D. If I'm playing in a pick-up partnership, it's more likely that partner is frightened I'll pass 3C, and I probably just raise to 5C. I wouldn't play partner to have splintered in support of hearts unless he didn't alert the 2H bid. And then I'd expect to have the score adjusted later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 agree 100 % with ben. 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Partner's 4C shows a massive hand and requests we cue bid a second round control (assuming 2H meant we cannot have a first round control). I'm not sure what "total negative" means, but I imagine I cue bid 4D. If I'm playing in a pick-up partnership, it's more likely that partner is frightened I'll pass 3C, and I probably just raise to 5C. I wouldn't play partner to have splintered in support of hearts unless he didn't alert the 2H bid. And then I'd expect to have the score adjusted later.I agree with everything here, except the last. If partner did not alert 2♥, I am still stuck with my agreement, and thus must bid 4♦. I do not think that taking advantage of the non-alert is correct, even if I am planning on calling the director afterwards myself. This presupposes that I had a legitimate basis for thinking that we had the agreement that 2♥ was negative. If I had just been guessing, then I am in an even worse pickle... but I still don't think that I am going to change my bid because of the failure to alert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 no 2♥ was alerted as showing no values, 2♦ is waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 4♣ is stronger than 3♣ which would be to play. 4♦ cue bid now, my hand has become great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I say "Yikes, I need to buy cigarrettes"Then I stand up and hurry to the door and they will never see me again...Seriously what the heck is 4♣ ? ♥yes Luis,yikes :lol: what the heck is four clubs?Now i assume when opening 2♣ followed by 2♦/2♥, then bidding 2♥/♠ is still forcing to at least 2NT. Now if partner bids 3♣/3♦ over negative responses shouldnt it still be forcing to 3NT at least? So this would tend to rule out 4♣ as being better than 3♣?And two suiters arent really suited IMHO for opening 2♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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