badderzboy Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=s9862hj3dj10943cj6]133|100|Scoring: IMPPartner opens 2NT (20-22)[/hv] Partner opens 2NT (20-22) do you bid or pass quietly? And if u bid what do u do over partner's responses... If you don't bid what extra do u need ? Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I bid Puppet Stayman and pass every response, well knowing we might have missed a 4 - 4 ♠ fit after 3♦ response. Worst case is partner bids 3NT and we are down 1 more ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 4M/5m hands with invitational values are really tough to handle over 1NT, much less 2. I think I pass this in the knowledge that game in spades or NT might be making. But it's close. Give me say a 6th diamond or a better chance for an entry outside of diamonds (e.g. QT9x of spades and xx in both side suits), then I'd roll out whatever version of stayman I have. Mind you, I'd still feel better if partner had 4 (5) spades, but I'd feel more comfortable about 3NT now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I bid Puppet Stayman and pass every response, well knowing we might have missed a 4 - 4 ♠ fit after 3♦ response. Worst case is partner bids 3NT and we are down 1 more ;)You don't have the problem of the 3NT response if you use the modified Puppet played by Meckwell ! I saw that recently on their convention card and if I remember it was something like : 2NT 3♣ asking for 4 or 5 M 3M = 5M3♦ = all other hands (4M or not !) Then : 3♥ shows 4♠ or nothing (2NT bidder bid 3♠ with 4♠ or 3NT without)3♠ shows 4♥3NT shows both 4M4m are slam tries in m This seems simple, effective and interesting, doesn't it ? Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Of course I bid there are many 2NT hands that can produce 4♠ or 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Pass. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 20-22 is too wide a range. Partner has 22 in 1/6 of the deals, yet you have to cater to the possibility every time. Anyway, even if we assume maximum points in partner's hand, the Jacks are the most overvalued honors in the Work's schema. Besides, 2 of them are unprotected. Unless I strongly need a swing, I pass, and pray partner can make 2NT, because it won't be easy. I'd consider showing signs of life with something like: 10982xxK10932xx Same points, same distribution, only a 10 more, but a slightly better hand IMO. Petko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Partner opens 2NT (20-22) do you bid or pass quietly? I pass If you don't bid what extra do u need ? I want an entry to dummy, say a Kxx or QJ10, or QJ in a 4+ card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 This is unlikely to be a hand that makes exactly 8 tricks. I bid stayman then 3N if we don't have a 4-4 spade fit. If pard has good diamonds he'll likely make, if not he'll likely be down a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 This is unlikely to be a hand that makes exactly 8 tricks. I bid stayman then 3N if we don't have a 4-4 spade fit. If pard has good diamonds he'll likely make, if not he'll likely be down a few. Indeed the fate of 2NT and 3NT is probably the same, it depends on what pd has in diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 hello everyone I used to play Gladiator. 2NT-3C forced 3D. If I was playing that convention, I would use it here. I do play a version of puppet stayman over 2NT. So I could use my toy knowing 90+% of the time I would end up in 3Ds. If partner bids 3Hs(showing 5) that is another matter. I suspect that my methods would alter this bidding somewhat. I play 1C-1D-1NT shows 18-20HCP. Which would eliminate about 40-45%of the 20-22HCP range. I also play a 2NT bid shows 21-22 HCP which makes gambling with the weak hand somewhat more likely. 3NT is not a really bad gamble if partner does not bid 3Ds over a 21-22HCP 2NT. Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 20-22 is a wide range! Game might be laydown and there is also a good chance that 2NT goes down, so trying for game seems clear. (My methods would also alter the bidding somewhat. A MisIry 2NT would show either a weak hand with long clubs, or a strong 2-suiter with hearts so I would bid 3C to see what partner has.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 4M/5m hands with invitational values are really tough to handle over 1NT, much less 2. I think invitational hands opposite a 2N opener are easy to handle. Bid game ;) Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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