cherdano Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Your RHO opens 1♣ at IMPs, noone vulnerable. You hold♠AQJx ♥Kx ♦QJxx ♣T9x. You don't normally make off-shape takeout doubles. You don't normally make 4-card overcalls. You don't normally pass with 13 hcp outside opener's suit. What abnormal action do you take? In case it matters: You play fairly pretty standard methods after a takeout double (partner can jump to 2 of his suit with 4 cards and 9-11 pts, cue-bid would be forcing until suit agreement) and Rubens transfer advances after an overcall. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I would never double with this hand -- if forced to bid I am bidding 1♠. But I don't see anything really wrong with a pass here at IMPs. Often the bidding continues with 1♥ from LHO and 2♥ on my right, and I have an easy takeout double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I would never double with this hand -- if forced to bid I am bidding 1♠. But I don't see anything really wrong with a pass here at IMPs. Often the bidding continues with 1♥ from LHO and 2♥ on my right, and I have an easy takeout double.Agreed. I would normally pass (90% of the time), but if I choose to make a call, it will be 1♠ - the usual "but I'm no expert" disclaimer applies :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I bid 1S, even if I am not a frequent 4 card overcaller. The suit quality hopefully compensate.I am much more worried of holding T9x in clubs than of having 1 less card in spades. 1) With this hand type I might never get to show values if I pass.On the other hand, when I double offshape, I like to have extra hcp to compensate for the deviant shape, and this is not the case 2) 1S overcall deprives opps of an entire level of bidding 3) 1S suggests a good lead to pard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Pass or 1♠ but I will never dbl with that. (I voted 1♠) Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 will NEVER double so HAVE to bid 1♠ because it best describes my hand (and in f2f if challenged will say "sorry P I had a ♣ in with my ♠s" --- just joking ;) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Pass does not deny this strength and an almost-biddable suit, but I would bid 1♠ allthough I don't usually overcall with four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Pass is clear to me. Double is out of the question (I am stuck if partner responds 1♥), and I rarely overcall on 4-card suits. Partner will never know how high he can compete, and I will not know if his raise is based on 3 or 4-card support. Pass does not deny a hand like this. It only denies that you have a hand suitable for anything else. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 1S is my style with these hands (I overcall 4 card suits more than most) but pass is certainly reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Only possible choices are 1♠ and Pass.Which one you choose depends on your style. Mine is to bid 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 1♠ has a lot going for it. The only drawback I can see is one of the main reasons for overcalling 1♠ is for the lead, but if we overcall 1♠ against a ♥ conract, there's a good chance that RHO will end up playing hearts after (dbl) - pass..... If I pass, I will not bid at the 2 level in a live auction. Its very difficult for the opponents to penalize you with power and a 4 card stack, but a penalty is routine after: (1♣)......Pass.....(1♥).....Pass(2♥).....Double......(redouble)........ Further, when we overcall and pard raises on 3, it is also tougher to get penalized, as doubles by the opponents become 'action'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Agree with Gerben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Pass but I would probably bid 1♠ with 4 clubs and 3 diamonds (!) There's an interesting study that says that the worst holding you can have in your had to make an overcall is 3 low cards in the suit they just opened. So with xxx in clubs I pass this hand quickly, I've been experimenting passing when I have xxx in their suit in hands where the normal action seems to be an overcall, I got mixed results so I can't make a definitive conclusion on the topic, I'm still experimenting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Pass but I would probably bid 1♠ with 4 clubs and 3 diamonds (!) There's an interesting study that says that the worst holding you can have in your had to make an overcall is 3 low cards in the suit they just opened. So with xxx in clubs I pass this hand quickly, I've been experimenting passing when I have xxx in their suit in hands where the normal action seems to be an overcall, I got mixed results so I can't make a definitive conclusion on the topic, I'm still experimenting. That's very interesting and it makes sense. I assume that you only follow this guideline when you think it is close between passing and overcalling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Double is impossible with only 2 hearts and weak no trump values. I try and avoid 4 card overcalls so would pass, but don't hate 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Pass but I would probably bid 1♠ with 4 clubs and 3 diamonds (!) There's an interesting study that says that the worst holding you can have in your had to make an overcall is 3 low cards in the suit they just opened. So with xxx in clubs I pass this hand quickly, I've been experimenting passing when I have xxx in their suit in hands where the normal action seems to be an overcall, I got mixed results so I can't make a definitive conclusion on the topic, I'm still experimenting. That's very interesting and it makes sense. I assume that you only follow this guideline when you think it is close between passing and overcalling. Yes whenever I think I can either pass or overcall I pass with xxx in the suit opened, but I've also experimented with not overcalling hands where an overcall is clearly marked with xxx in their suit. As I sad I got mixed results, if you want to try for yourself I would love to get some feedback :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 1♠ - loosen up, overcall on four (and gasp, 3 card suits) every now and then. It is good for the soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 1♠ - loosen up, overcall on four (and gasp, 3 card suits) every now and then. It is good for the soul. hmm 3 card suits... I dunno if my soul could do it ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Dbl is out, so this leaves 1S or Pass,I will go with 1S. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 This hand is a take out double if take out means take out a gun and shoot me if I double with this hand.....I would pass against good opps and bid 1S against a weaker pair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Interesting Peter, it seems more dangerous to pass against a good aggressive pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 hello everyone I overcall 1S good suit, directs the lead and shows some values. Not even close. Not worried about an agressive pair, they likely play more action, negative and other competitive doubles. With a suit this good, they very rarelyhave the cards and methods to catch me. I do not like off shape doubles. Much rather pass than have partner bid a suit that I do not have 3+ card support for. Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 A very clear 1♠ for me... With my f2f partner it promisses around 8-14HCP with 4+♠ and 4+♦, but with standard methods I can only show the ♠ suit. I hate to pass with good hands and good suits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 1♠, without a lot of worry. Pretty normal call.Double would be terrible; pass risks being cut out of the bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I would like ♣J to feel really comfortable about bidding 1♠, but the suit quality helps. Will also bid 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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