keylime Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 You are in 2nd chair, red on white, against unknown opps. MP pairs, strat: A6xxATxxxxAQx RHO opens 1♦. Your action? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 X. Necessary to avoid being completely stolen from. With xxx of diamonds it's not even that ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Same here. A take-out double, without much shape (you have in any case 4-3 in majors), but with more than decent strength. And it is now or possibly never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 double: shows support for all the unbid suits (which I have in a twisted sort of way). I used to pass these hands: then I learned better :lol: No guarantees, but experience suggests better to bid now and pass later than the reverse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I used to pass these hands: then I learned better :lol: ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 X Not the perfect shape but As Mikeh said I have support for all suits, 3 aces and 14 HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Double.Bad shape, but 3 card support for all the unbid suits, and, most important, no wasted values.If pard has support I hop to play the hand along the lines of dummy reversal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 You are in 2nd chair, red on white, against unknown opps. MP pairs, strat: A6xxATxxxxAQx RHO opens 1♦. Your action?can't see any other bid but X :P even at red V white because "It's NOW or never "(to quote Elvis totally outside bridge and irrevelant ;) ) seriously IF you don't X with a decent 14 count how do you ever bid anything? -- you don't have a decent suit of you own :huh: AND you have at LEAST 3 card support for any suit P might be forced to bid if LHO passes WTP ??? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe de Balliol Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Red on white you've got a pass imo. "Takeout doubles with weak NT hands are losing bridge" With a bit more shape I'd X. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Pass, automatic, 3 low diamonds :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Pass! I always get a kick out of watching folks make doubles on triple-three-4's. Then they wonder why they go down in 2 of a major after pard gets tapped a few times in his 4-3 fit at the 2 level. Oh well, lose 4 IMPS to tough luck (our pards struggled in 1N and got nipped a trick). The ♦xxx is another black mark, but it wouldn't matter to me if it was Hxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Pass! I always get a kick out of watching folks make doubles on triple-three-4's. Then they wonder why they go down in 2 of a major after pard gets tapped a few times in his 4-3 fit at the 2 level. Oh well, lose 4 IMPS to tough luck (our pards struggled in 1N and got nipped a trick). The ♦xxx is another black mark, but it wouldn't matter to me if it was Hxx. I always get a kick out of watching people pass and wondering why they missed game with 14 opp 11/12 and were defending 1N. Oh well lose 10 to bad luck. Oh, we are defending 2S and pard has a stiff spade and 5 hearts? Crap we missed 4H. Lose another 10 to bad luck. Oh, the opps made a partscore when we could have made a partscore? Lose 6 to bad luck. Oh, I felt like i had to bid later in the auction because I hadn't shown my values? Oh well... -800 lose 12. BTW xxx is BETTER than other holdings with 3 diamonds. As opposed to an overcall, after we X partner will be playing the hand so they won't be leading through him. All of our values are outside of diamonds, which is a good thing. Qxx would be much worse here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 I agree with justin and mikeh here. You got to get in now or never, and although I overcall on four card suits, Axxx just isnot good enough to bid. So, it is double and then I am out of the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 As much as I find the hand shape repugnant, the values and placement are more than adequate for a double. Sometimes pard will even bid some number of spades or NT and he may not be thrilled with your hand but he will be able to use it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Double. But give me just one ace less and I pass. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 i admit my first thought was "double, wtp?" ... but then i read that other thread where luis talked about xxx in their opened suit... now i'm totally confused :lol: i'd still x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I would double here, but consider this a complete minimum, and won't accept any invitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I strongly felt a double was out of the question. 4-3-3-3 hands are worth lying in wait for. Now for the rest of the hand: 1♦ - X - 1♠ - 4♥ (on void KQJT9 xxx KJxxx, but felt I better get us moving quick instead of a puny responsive double). LHO sacs at 4♠, pard X's. I pull and get corrected into five hearts, off one. Diamonds are yep, 3-3, in our hands. We have 150 honors in hearts and it was not a good board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I strongly felt a double was out of the question. 4-3-3-3 hands are worth lying in wait for. Now for the rest of the hand: 1♦ - X - 1♠ - 4♥ (on void KQJT9 xxx KJxxx, but felt I better get us moving quick instead of a puny responsive double). LHO sacs at 4♠, pard X's. I pull and get corrected into five hearts, off one. Diamonds are yep, 3-3, in our hands. We have 150 honors in hearts and it was not a good board. What's worse a. stretching to double with 4333, bad shape but no wasted honors ? or b. pulling pard's double of 4S ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 The second one, by quite a long way. Partner doubled because he didn't want to hear you bid 5H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted November 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Let's just say that pard and I had a very lengthy discussion after the session on the style of t/o doubles we were going to employ. The discussion is still ongoing. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I double when I have 3+ cards on teh other suits and also 12+ HCP on them. This hand rates for a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 There is a case to pass, but to double is certainly acceptable. Matter of style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Your pard's initial double certainly contributed to the result here - and your 4♥ created a guessing situation - for you. Perhaps a 2♦ cue early on would let you get your hearts in and show some strength. Maybe there should be a way for 4th hand to show a 2 suiter after a double, but I don't know of any. Give pard a more 'typical' TOx os AQxx, Axx, xx, Qxxx and pard still has his dbl especially at MPs, and you rate to set 4♠ whereby 5♣ doesn't have a chance. I'll stick to my guns here - doubles show SHAPE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Keylime, Clearly the majority votes for double, while some very good players vote for pass. Your 4H bid looks fine to me, but pulling partner's penalty double after having already jumped to 4H seems wrong. Perhaps you should look at your own bids first before you blame partner for doubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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