Rebound Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 [hv=d=n&s=sq1097hj1085d86cqj9]133|100|Scoring: MPPartner's 1NT opening is passed to you. [/hv] So, here's the question: do the spots make this worth a 2♣ response opposite a 15-17 NT? Presumably, if you do respond 2♣ and partner bids 2♥ you will raise to 3, or will you? :-) I suppose I should fess up that I did bid 2♣ with it, but I am thinking that was a bit optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Guess I am missing something, easy pass of 1nt for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifee Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 [hv=d=n&s=sq1097hj1085d86cqj9]133|100|Scoring: MPPartner's 1NT opening is passed to you. [/hv] So, here's the question: do the spots make this worth a 2♣ response opposite a 15-17 NT? If you are opening 15-17 1NT, then I agree with Mike- pass and table a great dummy for partner. I agree that hand evaluation is more than HCP. At NT I will add 1/2 point for a 5 card suit or a full point for a good 5 card suit. I add 1/2 point for good middle cards and 1/2 point for a hand with well placed honors. With this hand, you have lots of good card combinations but still can't bring the hand up to invitational value for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 also a normal pass for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Clear pass even playing garbage stayman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 While I tend to agree with pass, if you do choose to bid, you should pass 2♥ (or 2♠). You're already ahead of most of the field (okay assuming 15-17 NT is the common range as it is here in the states) by finding your major fit. No reason to risk -50 in 4♥ when +140 in 3♥ is beating all those +120s and +90s out there in the field. Even if game is making, don't you figure to get a near-top for +170 when most people played in 1NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Hello everyone Pass in tempo. Flat hands up to @8HCP hands should pass opposite a 15-17HCP except vul. at IMPs. If I did use somehow use Stayman, I would pass a 2M reply in tempo when I 'looked' again(didn't I have a King somewhere in this hand?) If I played garbage Stayman(not my style because it does not fit into my methods)I would use it here and pass 2M in tempo. I ran a bunch of hands using garbage Stayman and the results were above average. 4-3 fits were generally playable and many 4-4 fits were found. It was just that the use of garbage Stayman cost me my other superior methods of bidding over 1NT. Why use a X% better method when your currect method is X+% better? I also used to bid game with 9HCP opposite a 15-17NT. I ran a number of hands opposite that range and found that I should 'only' invite with 2NT. Perhaps because I also use 1NT-2NT* as showing diamonds, my invitational bidding is somewhat cramped. My early agreement that a Precision 1C*-8+HCP forced to game followed me for too many years. I did not like to play 1C*-1NT=8-10-2NT=16-p-p-p which the red covered Precision Book suggested. I am not a diehard conservative bridge player. I am currently testing using 7+HCP positives as being game forcing opposite my 16+HCP(18+HCP if balanced)1C* bid in a Big Club system(only when Vulernable at IMPs) 7+HCP positives narrow that worrysome 1C-1D bid to zero to a poor seven HCP. The other pair cannot freely double an auction that reveals the threadbare nature of your 1C*-1D-1M-2M-3M-4M which almost demands a double 'if the trump suit is breaking badly.' If you direct your bidding towards IMPs it looks like a good idea. At matchpoints, I am willing to require 8HCPs for a GF positive. Regards, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 This is a pass. What the spots do is make it into a reasonable 6 count rather than a crappy 6 count. They don't make it into a seven count let alone an 8 count. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 I pass wtp? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 If you play 1NT-2♣-2♦-2♥ as pick a major AND weak NT, I guess that's when you wanna make a move :lol:. Otherwise pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 easy pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Pass even if I play garbage stayman Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Good hand to play 1NT. Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted November 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Thanks for all your comments. I believe I was sleep deprived or something when I posted this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted November 5, 2005 Report Share Posted November 5, 2005 Better to be tired when posting than when at the bridge table :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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