HeartA Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=sk852hakj97643dc4&s=sqj1076hdaqckq10762]133|200|[/hv] South opened 1S:South - West - North - East 1♠ - PASS - 2♥ - 3♦ 3NT - PASS - 4♦ - PASS 5♣ - PASS - 5NT - PASS 6NT - PASS - 7♠ - DBLPPP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Hard to pick when all bids seem so wrong to me. 1S is wrong, 2H is not very meaningful imo. 3N is wrong, 5C/5N are wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Yikes...well.. 1S... This is a clear 1C to me. You don't mind even having to bid 4S at your next turn, so why distort your shape? 2H... This is fine, I wouldnt do any kind of blasting though if there is ever a hand for it this would be it. 3N... Don't understand with a void why this player would bid a direct 3N. Hate this bid. 4D... Who knows, I can live with this, nothing else is forcing. 5C... 4D was a cue for hearts so 5C is also a cue for hearts...this makes no sense. 5N.. Pick a slam, but I would assume it's between hearts and NT. I would bid 5D (assuming 5C is a cue for hearts) and hope to hear a 5S call. 6N.. I guess if you thought pard was asking between hearts and NT... 7S.. well 6N obviously isnt right. Honestly, I doubt I would ever stop short of slam though. I give south most of the blame and think 3N was the worst bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Call me old fashioned, but I really prefer North to bid spades at some point in the auction below the 7 level..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I think 3NT was the worse, close to the 5C bid. However, had North raised immediately spades (with, say, jacoby 2NT or whatever forcing raise) despite his strong/long hearts, we would discover we are off 2 aces, hopefully making use of Exclusion RKCB or using some other voidshowing gadgets. Another textbook example of *why* the priorities in bidding are: a. finding/showing early a fit; b. limiting early the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I don't like already the opening bid. With 55 in the black suits some open ♣ first , but with 65 the longer suit has priority. When the opening is not "kosher", it is nearly unimpossible to show the hand correctly later.Ok, the opening WAS 1♠ here. I cannot see any reason why it should be useful to introduce the ♥s rather than showing immediately the strong ♠-support since we have also gf sequences available with support and the 2/1 argument is not so important (mo :rolleyes:). The ♥s will be working well in a ♠-contract. Ok, a ruff might threaten should we have a ♥-fit as well, but they must find it :blink: So I don't pick a bid of the list, both players chose the most difficult path and fell into the gorge instead of going for an easy walk.Caren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 However, had North raised immediately spades (with, say, jacoby 2NT or whatever forcing raise) despite his strong/long hearts, we would discover we are off 2 aces, hopefully making use of Exclusion RKCB or using some other voidshowing gadgets. Another textbook example of *why* the priorities in bidding are: a. finding/showing early a fit; b. limiting early the hand. I play fit showing bids with my partner, but if we have a long good suit - minimal KQTxx - then we will first bid that suit and support later. If partner has an honour in my long suit then slem is possible even without a lot of points. eg: 1S-2H2NT-3S...This would show responder has good hearts and a fit spades. Opener will bid 3NT (serious) if he is excited about this, bid 4S if he really is subminimal and will cue otherwise.Do you think that this is a bad idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 However, had North raised immediately spades (with, say, jacoby 2NT or whatever forcing raise) despite his strong/long hearts, we would discover we are off 2 aces, hopefully making use of Exclusion RKCB or using some other voidshowing gadgets. Another textbook example of *why* the priorities in bidding are: a. finding/showing early a fit; b. limiting early the hand. I play fit showing bids with my partner, but if we have a long good suit - minimal KQTxx - then we will first bid that suit and support later. If partner has an honour in my long suit then slem is possible even without a lot of points. eg: 1S-2H2NT-3S...This would show responder has good hearts and a fit spades. Opener will bid 3NT (serious) if he is excited about this, bid 4S if he really is subminimal and will cue otherwise.Do you think that this is a bad idea? At the other hand your ♥'s are so good/long here and you have good ♠ support. Why not bid:1S-5D voidwoodor1S-2H (3D)3NT-5D voidwood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 I can understand 1♠: poor on controls. But the real problem bid imo is 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Why not bid:1S-5D voidwood If your pard does not get confused, sounds ok to me.However, *I* would be confused :-) or1S-2H (3D)3NT-5D voidwood If I were opener, I would be very much confused by this sequence. However, I think the main idea is that, IMO, there is little point in making a fitshowing bid. I like to use a fitshowing bid when I want to describe my hand to pard and leave him the choice of the contract, relinquishing control.In this case, I want to be the one to place the contract, so I'll try to take control of the auction by means of a forcing raise followed by EKB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Hmmm. The prize for worst bid of the auction goes to 3NT. The prize for best call of the auction goes to the player that doubled 7S. Other than that: i) 1♠ I don't agree with this (why not open 1♣?) but it's probably South's best call of the auction. ii) 2♥ - not unreasonable, it's a very difficult hand to bid. How about 3♥ strong jump shift? iii) 3NT. Horrible. Honestly. You can't possibly believe 3NT is where you want to play? iv) 4♦ Not going well for North, as he hasn't agreed spades. v) 5♣ doesn't really show clubs, sounds like a cuebid for hearts or spades. You can't bid clubs now, should have bid 4♣ over 3♦ vi) 5NT probably meant as grand slam force in spades, sounds to me like grand slam force in hearts vii) 6NT confused viii) 7♠ Probably correct that 6NT isn't a good contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 As wrong as 1S is, 2H was a total no-no. They have a huge fit somewhere, ya gotta splinter in C and when you can start q-bidding, you won't care if they double for leads etc., you will get to the right contract..... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 With 2 keys and a working void, a 5NT response to Pard's 4NT will solve the puzzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 So many bad bids to choose from....... I'll pick 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Most of the bids were horrible :D OTOH, I am going against the tide: 3N was a theoretically horrible bid, but in practice helped N, pinpointing the real problem (40% of S HCP are in ♦).Probably, best bid after this is 5♠ (ok, you can have a slam in ♠ with A♣ and Axxxx or QJxxx in ♠; OTOH, in practice N has lost too many levels, and has not yet communicated the ♠ fit).Best is to renounce the Grand (which is unlikely after the 3N, in any case), and assume a bad split in ♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted November 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 This is a board my friend, who sat North, asked me to judge. I agree that it is a mess from the very beginning, since I would open 1♣. But I think 1♠ and 2♥ were not the worst. While my friend insisted that his pd was to blame for the entire mess, I said he was partially responsible. I could accept 3NT bid since it might be the last chance to bid 3NT, given that two majors were "misfit" (pd didn't show support for ♠ and South was void in ♥). 4♦ was still OK as North wanted to investigate slam but not sure which level would be good. South might think 4♦ showed slam interest in ♥ (as Justin also mentioned the same), and therefore tried to show and ♣ fit. So I think 5NT was the worst (pick a slam), because South was completely in dark. I would bid 6♠ instead of 5NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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