Another Forcing Pass doubt

[Chamaco]

IMPS

We are Vuln vs not

Opps open a first seat preempt 3H.

 

3H-(p)-p-(3S)

p-(4S)-5H-????

 

Now, is pass by the 3S bidder forcing or not ?

 

Would it be different if we were:

......a. all white

......b. all red

......c. we are white and THEY are red

[whereagles]

Without a specific agreement, pass is not forcing in any. Pard could have bid 4♥ if he wanted to establish a forcing pass situation.

[Blofeld]

I think it should be forcing regardless of vulnerability.

 

If RHO psyched his pass of 3♥, then sure, we may lose out. Psyches work sometimes.

[Fluffy]

When the opponents make it clear they don't think they can make what they bid I always believe them.

[Guest Jlall]

I would usually say no, but in this case common sense dictates it must be forcing. My opponents have never passed 3H with a moose hoping I would balance red/white.

[han]

I think forcing is clear unless playing against idiots.

[Finch]

What Justin said.

This isn't a forcing pass by my usual 'rules' but there's no way 5H can have been bid to make, unless he's a real loony.

[cherdano]

I think forcing is clear unless playing against idiots.

Lol. Frances, didn't you once post that for you pass is forcing when opponents bid inconsistently, unless opponents are world class?

 

Arend

[Finch]

In the USA 1/Italy round robin match, Bob Hammon bid 5C. They bid on, he bid 6C sounding as if he was insane.

 

It tempted a double, and made an overtrick.

 

The Italians at the other table had tried the same thing, but got doubled in 5C and made two overtricks. They were disappointed to lose imps, I imagine.

[Chamaco]

Thx all who replied :)

 

Still, I would greatly appreciate if you could specify whether your answer would be different if playing

 

a. all white

b. all red

c. white vs red

 

Thanks again ! :)

[Guest Jlall]

Thx all who replied :)

 

Still, I would greatly appreciate if you could specify whether your answer would be different if playing

 

a. all white

b. all red

c. white vs red

 

Thanks again ! :)

no, same logic applies.

[Kalvan14]

Thx all who replied  :)

 

Still, I would greatly appreciate if you could specify whether your answer would be different if playing

 

a. all white

b. all red

c. white vs red

 

Thanks again ! :)

no, same logic applies.

Agreed. Vulnerability does not play a big role, since a pass (certainly forcing) would be a slam try.

 

I fail to understand why LHO did not find 4♥ over 3♥, and now is defending in 5♥. Either he is too smart for me, or the opposite applies.

[junyi_zhu]

IMPS

We are Vuln vs not

Opps open a first seat preempt 3H.

 

3H-(p)-p-(3S)

p-(4S)-5H-????

 

Now, is pass by the 3S bidder forcing or not ?

 

Would it be different if we were:

......a. all white

......b. all red

......c. we are white and THEY are red

To me, forcing pass isn't a convention, it's just common sense. If common sense says that they may bid to make, it's not a forcing pass situation, otherwise, it is.

[pclayton]

Forcing Passes are a matter of agreement, not convention.

 

Didn't Kantar try to codify these things a few years ago?

 

In any event, I think that a preempt followed by a sac creates a force on the partnership.