3rd 9points

[jillybean]

[hv=d=n&v=e&s=sqjxxhxxxdxcaqxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP

p(p)1♣ [/hv]

 

IS this opening ok, I plan to bid 1♠ over any other response from p.

 

jb

[Walddk]

Sure. At least you have pinpointed a lead in case LHO becomes declarer. Light openings are perfectly legitimate and are even quite common 3rd in hand, especially non vul against vul.

 

Roland

[jillybean]

Thanks, just wanted to check after a very surprised opp in an indy..

[cherdano]

1♣ is certainly reasonable (I wonder whether one should pass partner's 1♥ reply -- a certain 7, possible 8-card fit at the one level can't be wrong, and it makes sure we don't get too high).

 

I think I would pass, however. After all, I am happy whenever partner leads a spade, a diamond or a club.

[Guest Jlall]

3rd seat it's fine.

[Free]

Perfect hand for a light opener. You want that lead, and your strength is in the 2 suits you'll bid.

[mike777]

[hv=d=n&v=e&s=sqjxxhxxxdxcaqxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP

p(p)1♣ [/hv]

 

IS this opening ok, I plan to bid 1♠ over any other response from p.

 

jb

Clear opener.

[pclayton]

Sure 1♣ is fine. Make the clubs weaker (K- 5th) and the spades stronger (AQ-4th), and try a 1♠ opening, even with this pattern.

[jillybean]

thanks and I like the pass of 1♥ ;)

[luis]

1♣ Automatic

[EricK]

Perfect hand for a light opener. You want that lead, and your strength is in the 2 suits you'll bid.

The trouble with the lead-directing argument is that if you are playing Strong NT, 5cd major system you will also be opening 1C on a load of hands when you don't particularly want a club lead and on a load of hands when you positively don't want partner to lead a club (especially from something like Kx).

 

How is partner meant to know the difference?

 

Eric

[Guest Jlall]

Perfect hand for a light opener.  You want that lead, and your strength is in the 2 suits you'll bid.

The trouble with the lead-directing argument is that if you are playing Strong NT, 5cd major system you will also be opening 1C on a load of hands when you don't particularly want a club lead and on a load of hands when you positively don't want partner to lead a club (especially from something like Kx).

 

How is partner meant to know the difference?

 

Eric

1) If he has say, 7 points, and the opps roll into game, he may suspect we opened light. If we did, then we obviously opened a suit we want led.

 

2) Even if he doesn't learn we opened light, just because 1C COULD be xxx doesn't mean it is. If he has no clear lead, he will go with a club because it RATES to be our best suit, even though it doesn't have to be.

[Echognome]

Not to mention that your hand is going to be passing almost anything. Partner will learn you are light 1 way or another. The question is whether you should raise 1♠ to 2 or if that is pushing the boat out too far. Would be nice at MPs, but it probably carries to much risk of p not taking a joke.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

the hand is perfect, if you and your partner

agreed to open light in 3rd seat, I dont.

 

The main problem is, that your partner may take

you serious.

Another, light openings with a minor is not as effective

as a light opener with a mayor, because you are not

as likely to buy the auction, i.e. if the oponents buy the

contract, it may be easier for them to play the hand.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[luke warm]

i could be wrong here marlowe, but i think pretty much everyone plays that light 3rd hand openings are fairly standard... 1C here is fine, and i wouldn't even squak abot a 1NT opening

[Blofeld]

Not to mention that your hand is going to be passing almost anything. Partner will learn you are light 1 way or another. The question is whether you should raise 1♠ to 2 or if that is pushing the boat out too far. Would be nice at MPs, but it probably carries to much risk of p not taking a joke.

I think not raising 1♠ to 2 would be a little silly. I think the more pertinent question is whether we raise 1♥ to 2, and I'm hovering, though I think I go with not.

[joker_gib]

We only open light in majors but this hand qualifies for a light opening cause you have ♠.

 

Of course I'd raise 1♠ to 2♠. The hand becomes great and and if you don't raise with that, why do you open ?

 

Alain

[Fluffy]

Opening is an opton, but I normally pass with 9 unless I can pre at the 2 level.

[mila85]

IS this opening ok, I plan to bid 1♠ over any other response from p.

Ask your partner.

[jillybean]

IS this opening ok, I plan to bid 1♠ over any other response from p.

Ask your partner.

good point (this was an indy)

[han]

I agree with little silly, but I don't think it is very silly.

 

I do think that pass of 1H is clear. (I think that a raise to 2H is more than little silly, but I have been advised not to use the word silly.)

[Finch]

I don't think it is "automatic" or "no choice" to open this hand 1♣.

But it is certainly not silly, and I have no problem with it.

 

Some of the time I would open the hand 1C.

Some of the time (probably slightly less often) I would pass.

[Al_U_Card]

Rebids are always a requirement when you open the bidding....that said, the agreement to open "light" in 3rd seat is usually made with the understanding that if you provide a re-bid you are confirming FULL OPENING VALUES.

 

If pard bids a D over your 1C you will have a serious problem. Choosing to bid 1C is fine and passing a 1D response is ok unless you are vulnerable.

[jillybean]

Some of the time I would open the hand 1C.

Some of the time (probably slightly less often) I would pass.

What influences your decision?

[Chamaco]

My criteria to open very light (up to a bad 10- but I nearly always open hands with 2 Aces) in 3rd seat are that, if I do, I want to be able to:

1. pass any response by partner.

2. have a decent rebid planned if LHO overcalls and pard makes a negative double.

 

This hand is borderline: I can pass any 1M response by p, but the 1D response leaves me awkwardly placed (according to the above agreement I should pass it).

 

However, from the practical viewpoint, it seems unlikely the auction will die in 1D, so I might as well open, although the 1C opener is certainly not so much of an hindrance in terms of taking off bidding space from opps...