Gerben42 Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 [hv=d=e&v=n&w=sk4hj72dkqj865cj5&s=sthqtda9732ca9764]266|200|Scoring: IMP[/hv] RHO opens 1♥ and at IMPs you sensibly do NOT overcall 2NT with those bad suits but pass instead. LHO bids 4♥ and all pass. You find the lead of the ♠10, 4, Q, 3Partner now leads the ♠A, 8, and you? Experts please respond in hidden text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I discourage clubs. Assuming the DA wont cash, I have 3 tricks, 2 spades and a club. However, I can set up a 4th trick if pard comes another spade and I ruff with the queen. If my HQ was in clubs though, pard may think he needs to come a club for me through the king, so I will discourage clubs. Since a diamond cant be the right play, he will work out to come back a spade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 -> to make it surely down you want partner to continue spades. Since declarer might have a diamond void, throw diamond A. Partner should understand that way where club A is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Diamond Ace may or may not cash, but it looks like a sure defeat if partner continues spades - wake up call time by discarding the diamond Ace. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Isn't pitching the diamond ace overdoing it a little? 2 imps is 2 imps, and throwing them away for no reason doesn't make much sense to me. It's not like partner will play a diamond back from 2 small if you pitch a small club. He may return a stiff diamond, in which case you can win and cash the club ace and hope he has the 9 of hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Agree with Justin, I expect partner to do the right thing after a small club. Pitching the diamond ace sure looks good, but will be losing bridge in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack_hh Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 With Lavinthal agreed upon, I pitch the 9 of diamondsto encourage partner to continue spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 How can a club help partner do the right thing when declarer holds: Jxx, AKxxx, void, KQ1098? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Because partner can figure out that a diamond lead from a doubleton is never needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 How can a club help partner do the right thing when declarer holds: Jxx, AKxxx, void, KQ1098? So partner is AQ9xxxx xxx xx x? I will give him a lesson about bidding 4S over 4H, especially when his 3 card suit is hearts. Anyways, I'm not sure I understand what you think he'll play? If he plays a club OR a spade we are fine. I don't see any reason he'd play a red suit, our diamond is not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 ....................................... ♥ ............♦ .....................♠ (fake hidden message) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestguru Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 great, now we need a no psyches rule for the forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 great, now we need a no psyches rule for the forums ROFL. That's great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 ....................................... ♥ ............♦ .....................♠ (fake hidden message) Fake hidden response to fake hidden message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 How can a club help partner do the right thing when declarer holds: Jxx, AKxxx, void, KQ1098? So partner is AQ9xxxx xxx xx x? I will give him a lesson about bidding 4S over 4H, especially when his 3 card suit is hearts. Anyways, I'm not sure I understand what you think he'll play? If he plays a club OR a spade we are fine. I don't see any reason he'd play a red suit, our diamond is not going anywhere. At imps aren't you looking for the guarantee? Unlikely, but what if delcarer is 5602 with the Kx of clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 How can a club help partner do the right thing when declarer holds: Jxx, AKxxx, void, KQ1098? So partner is AQ9xxxx xxx xx x? I will give him a lesson about bidding 4S over 4H, especially when his 3 card suit is hearts. Anyways, I'm not sure I understand what you think he'll play? If he plays a club OR a spade we are fine. I don't see any reason he'd play a red suit, our diamond is not going anywhere. At imps aren't you looking for the guarantee? Unlikely, but what if delcarer is 5602 with the Kx of clubs? Sorry winston I still don't understand. If he has that hand we will get 2 spades, 1 club, and 1 ruff after i pitch a low club and partner comes back a spade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 [HIDDEN]The pitch of the ♦ A looks like it may be unnecessary, and, as Justin points out, may risk 2 imps by throwing away an extra undertrick. But consider this hand from North's point of view. It is unlikely that North has any more working high cards: in particular it is unlikely that he has a ♣ card. If you pitch a discouraging ♦, is it clear from his perspective that he ought to play a 3rd round of ♠ rather than to switch to ♣, through declarer into your AQ? I think so, to a thoughtful partner. With AQ and length (which you rate to have no matter how many ♦ partner holds) you could almost certainly make a recognizable encouraging ♣ discard. You may pay to your ♣ being AQ432 with declarer being 3=6=0=4 with K1098: is your 4 clearly encouraging in standard carding: is partner sufficiently alert? Or conversely (and worse) with AQ1098 while declarer has K432: is your 8 encouraging playing udca? Still, the ♦A virtually assures the set. Playing a low ♦ and then castigating partner for the ♣switch may win the post-mortem, but I'd rather set the contract. I think my partner will appreciate my thoughtfulness even if it costs 2 imps. So I play the ♦A: besides it always impresses the kibitzers :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted October 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Thanks to all that responded. I posted this hand here so the target group can see that spectacular plays can sometimes be straightforward. The point here is to at least consider the discard of ♦A. Don't worry too much about the 2 IMPs lost for the extra undertrick. Just look for the safest way to beat the contract. I think ♦9 should be good enough here but ♦A will increase your popularity if your partner happens to be pretty and of the opposite sex :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 [HIDDEN]The pitch of the ♦ A looks like it may be unnecessary, and, as Justin points out, may risk 2 imps by throwing away an extra undertrick. But consider this hand from North's point of view. It is unlikely that North has any more working high cards: in particular it is unlikely that he has a ♣ card. If you pitch a discouraging ♦, is it clear from his perspective that he ought to play a 3rd round of ♠ rather than to switch to ♣, through declarer into your AQ? I think so, to a thoughtful partner. With AQ and length (which you rate to have no matter how many ♦ partner holds) you could almost certainly make a recognizable encouraging ♣ discard. You may pay to your ♣ being AQ432 with declarer being 3=6=0=4 with K1098: is your 4 clearly encouraging in standard carding: is partner sufficiently alert? Or conversely (and worse) with AQ1098 while declarer has K432: is your 8 encouraging playing udca? Still, the ♦A virtually assures the set. Playing a low ♦ and then castigating partner for the ♣switch may win the post-mortem, but I'd rather set the contract. I think my partner will appreciate my thoughtfulness even if it costs 2 imps. So I play the ♦A: besides it always impresses the kibitzers :) Mike, everyone was arguing in favor of a discouraging club, not a diamond. I really don't see how partner can go wrong after this. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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