Walddk Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Meant for beginners/intermediates only. Advanced or better: please use hidden text. 53 AKQJ8 Plenty of entries to dummy. You need all 5 tricks and you start by cashing a top honour. LHO follows with the 10. What now, go for the drop or enter dummy in order to finesse the 8 if you believe that the 10 was a singleton? Another question. Does it matter which honour you cash first? I know they are all equals to you, but should you try a specific honour rather than another? Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 If you really trust LHO then you should take the finesse next. However, if you think that LHO is capable of playing the ten from 109x or 19xx then you should play for the drop. As for which honor to play, it depends a bit on the hand. In general you want to give the opponents as little information as possible, so play them ace-king-queen-jack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I play small from dummy to the Queen. I want LHO to think I am finessing the K so he will not false card the 9 or 10. I agree that whether I take the finesse or play for the drop depends on my LHO. If I think he is capable of a (routine) false card, then the percentages are clearly for the drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 playing against roland I would finesse but usually I'd go for the drop since they can falsecard :) jk roland :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I play small from dummy to the Queen. I want LHO to think I am finessing the K so he will not false card the 9 or 10. I agree that whether I take the finesse or play for the drop depends on my LHO. If I think he is capable of a (routine) false card, then the percentages are clearly for the drop. The problem is that it is always safe for LHO to play 10 from, say, 109x (unless of course there is a chance that he might have to lead the suit, in which case he should never do it, no matter what you play). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 And what if your hand is 53 AKQ92 and LHO drops the J on the first trick? LHO is expert/advanced/beginner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 And what if your hand is 53 AKQ92 and LHO drops the J on the first trick? LHO is expert/advanced/beginner? If you mean 5 tricks I simply must go for the drop. Singleton jack doesn't give me 5 tricks no matter what I do. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 low to A I doubt I could guess if the 10 is a false card or not, I assume some clues from bidding would be available but a 5/1 split is lower percentage and if it is split 6/0 with entries to dummy you make 5 anyway as left hand O would have all 6 if he played the 10 any other split and you make 5 tricks anyway the only split that can hurt you is 5/1 with right hand O having 5 so if left hand O shows up with 5 to the Jack y0ou would have to end play him for the 5th trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 And what if your hand is 53 AKQ92 and LHO drops the J on the first trick? LHO is expert/advanced/beginner? If you mean 5 tricks I simply must go for the drop. Singleton jack doesn't give me 5 tricks no matter what I do. RolandHmm...right.This proves that knowing percentages is not the most important...you also need to think....Can I know apply again for the BIL? Your hand is:532 AKQ9 And LHO drops x and J under AK. Do you play Q next or finesse?Does it make a difference if LHO knows that you have a 5-card or not?I'm not sure about the answer. I think 4-2 or 3-3 probabilities do not differ a lot. I would play Q against top players and finesse against others. Thinking while I write: ...or is this restricted choice? No, probably not. With Jxx LHO can still falsecard with the J. But Hey!, If he does that then our finesse will work. So, the falsecard will only be effective with JTx. And then LHO plays the J from the remaining JT. So it is restricted choice anyway and also against experts I will finesse the 3th trick.=> This was interesting for me :) (hope I finally came to the correct conclusion). EDITED: gave declarer AKQ9 iso AKQ98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 If you remove declarer's 8-spot, then yes, you did :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 The problem is that it is always safe for LHO to play 10 from, say, 109x (unless of course there is a chance that he might have to lead the suit, in which case he should never do it, no matter what you play). From 109x, the 10 or 9 is a routine falsecard. However, some might not know that when you play the Q. I was just trying to think of a reasoning for playing a particular honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 If you remove declarer's 8-spot, then yes, you did :Dright :D I changed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 with AKQ9 opp xxx when you play the AK and it goes low then jack on your left, a falsecard from an original holding of Jxx is not relevant. When you lead up towards the Q9, the ten (now stiff) will pop up on your right. So it is indeed restricted choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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