Fluffy Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=b&s=s2hk94dkq42cakq84]133|100|Scoring: MP S - W - N - E1♣-1♥-ps-ps??[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 just to note 1NT is kinda unilateral on this aprtnership, it will work whenever partner doesn't have 5 spades, if he has 5 you will play 2♠ for sure (unless he is having a trap pass of course) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 This is very strange. Passing with such a good hand is quite a position. Double is out of the question. 2D should leave partner well placed when then auction bursts open, but it is a bit of an overbid now that partner has passed. Both 1NT and 2C seem wrong, 1NT is worse because it misdescribes both strength and shape. So I guess that I would overbid: 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 2D, next hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 2♦ for me also, and it isn't even a very close decision *especially* at MPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Okay: where are the ♠? If I bid 2♦ and partner has fewer than 4 of them, I am going to throw up as I write down my eventual score in multiples of 100. (here is a clue: you cannot write down a score like that in the plus column when playing in a ♦ partial or in 3♣) On the other hand, my partner is going to lead ♣ against 1♥, and I may well enjoy that a great deal. I pass. And I don't think it is close. Altho I do see that I may end up with a bad score ;) I hope to see dummy as Kxxxx x J10xx xxx and overcaller as AJxx AJ8xx Ax Jx or the like. That leaves partner with full values for his pass: Qxx Q10xx xxx xxx Yes, that is somewhat contrived, but why should your desired dummy for your 2♦ bid be less contrived? RHO sure hasn't got much, but he might have bid with ♥ length: it is your partner who couldn't bid with that suit. For Hannie's fear of the auction bursting open: the best positioning available to counter that is to say 'Your lead, partner" ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 pass. Partner either has 4+ spades with very little in the way of values (no neg X), or he does not have 4+ spades in which case we will be outbid. It is conceivable we can outbid them with 4 (or 5) of a minor, but it seems against the odds. They won't have any trouble finding spades either as LHO can X 2D to suggest secondary spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 well i'm sure fluffy will post the full hand, he always does... maybe defending 1H works out well, maybe not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 well i'm sure fluffy will post the full hand, he always does... maybe defending 1H works out well, maybe not Grrrrrr, if there is anything I hate it is to be predictable :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I'm another passer. Partner could not muster up a negative double. I think there is only one small risk here and that is that partner has a big hand with 3 spades and 4 hearts. Note that this risk is diminished by two factors. 1) you hold the ♥K, so it's not that likely that partner is sitting on good hearts and 2) the chance that you will catch them in hearts is negligible. If partner has a good hand with hearts, then they must have a better spade fit. Then the only risk is that we have 3NT and we're not going to set hearts enough. I am willing to take that risk. Your lead partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I think there is only one small risk here and that is that partner has a big hand with 3 spades and 4 hearts. Why would pard pass initially with that hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Yeah. Thinking about it, partner must have some level of NT hand to bid with those hands. But, give partner: ♠ QJx♥ xxxx♦ Axxx♣ xx And now you want to be in 3NT and partner doesn't have a clear bid over 1♣ - (1♥) - ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I double with the intention to correct 1S to 2C and I hope that I did show a good hand with 5-4 ♣/♦. (I would pass at IMP's) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Ok, true. Of course, this is solved if you use X to deny 4 spades (or better still, X to promise 4+spades and 1S to deny them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 And now you want to be in 3NT Theoretically no. If I was there it would be important that I had not given away too much information. It's a "bad" 3N on a spade lead, so we need to increase the chance of a heart lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I think it's a decent 3NT even on a spade lead. The defense's communication will be bad, unless spades are 5-4 and then you still have chances for a 3-3 club break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Ok, true. Of course, this is solved if you use X to deny 4 spades (or better still, X to promise 4+spades and 1S to deny them) Would you still double - with the intention to correct to 2C - if you don't have this agreement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I think it's a decent 3NT even on a spade lead. The defense's communication will be bad, unless spades are 5-4 and then you still have chances for a 3-3 club break. Given the pass of 1H, 5-4 spades seems very likely. Would RHO really pass with 6 spades and a stiff heart? Maybe some would, but I wouldn't. With a 5-1 heart break, 3-3 clubs is getting less and less likely. If you agree spades are probably 5-4, it's getting even less likely. The normal percentages do not apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Ok, true. Of course, this is solved if you use X to deny 4 spades (or better still, X to promise 4+spades and 1S to deny them) Would you still double - with the intention to correct to 2C - if you don't have this agreement? Sorry, that comment was aimed at Echognome, your post got in the way :D Edit: To clarify, I'm talking about using 1C-(1H)-X as promising or denying 4+spades, not 1C-(1H)-P-(P), X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Spadaphobia is a well-known condition amongst bridge players, and with good reason.........they bid them when they have them, ESPECIALLY at MP. Looks like they have 8 or 9 and the hcp to get safely to the 2 level but then we have a minor suit fit that should play well at the 3 level. I want to get them out of their comfort zone and 2D is the best start in that direction. If they bid to 3S and make, then they were likely going to make 1H plus 1 or 2 so no diff.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 There is a difference - it is MPs, -140 could be a lot worse than -80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 It really depends what our negative double agreements are. If pard is forced to pass with an 8 count lacking 4 spades and club support, then we have to do something. If pard can bid 1S to show 4 and double to show some values, then Im much better placed and am comfortable passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 There is a difference - it is MPs, -140 could be a lot worse than -80 True, but pard didn't bid 1NT either, so our side has minor suit cards and enough points to keep them from game......I feel that they will make the same number of tricks in either major suit.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Given the pass of 1H, 5-4 spades seems very likely. Would RHO really pass with 6 spades and a stiff heart? Maybe some would, but I wouldn't. With a 5-1 heart break, 3-3 clubs is getting less and less likely. If you agree spades are probably 5-4, it's getting even less likely. The normal percentages do not apply. Either way... the hands where we have something on are too remote to worry about. Was just trying to construct a hand where bidding was rational and yet we are missing something. I'm still passing. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 :) 2♣..... It's time to play a deep game on this one. Partner neither bid one spade nor made a negative double, nor did he make a preemptive bid in spades (assuming that were available to him). According to my friend Binomial Bob in consultation with the Available Spaces guru, odds of partner holding less than four spades are well under 10%. Odds of his holding a penalty pass of one heart are too slight to be worth considering. Looks like pard is broke. Even five HCP seems a lot, but it may well be our hand. So, I have to consider the following: 1) My hand is not a bad trick producer with 4 or 5 clubs and a couple of red suit tricks. I want to play the hand at a low level. 2) I don't want to encourage a spade bid from partner unless he has a decent six bagger or seven cards. As Justin pointed out, this danger more or less rules out 1NT. 3) Getting too high is a real danger vulnerable. This makes me hesitant to bid 2♦. It is possible for partner to have a big diamond fit and shortness in clubs, but that's a risk worth taking IMO. 4) A 2♣ reopener sounds meek, and it makes it hard for anyone to bid spades. I don't want anyone to bid spades. 5) With the HCP's so evenly split and no big fits uncovered in one complete round of bidding, I do not expect the auction to take off. The two level may be high enough. Therefore, I am going to get devious and MASTERMIND the hand with a 2♣ call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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