han Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sxxxhqxd10xxxcakq10]133|100|Scoring: MP(1S)-pass-(2S) to you[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tysen2k Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Even playing OBAR BIDS, I pass. Way too dangerous to do anything else, even at MP. You could try a creative 2N, but if you stay silent, opener might bid higher by himself and you may even defeat the contract. If opener passes, partner will strain to bid something and as long as it's not 3♥, you are happy. Tysen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcvetkov Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Pass It may be very possible that we make 3 of a minor, but it is also very likely that parther has 4 or 5 hearts and will bent over backwards to bid them.... which will go off by 1 or 2 maybe even doubled.. Parner may choose to balance with a double though with many hands with singleton spade or sometimes maybe with 2-4-4-3.Also, opener may have a very strong hand, just about to bid 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 2NT Too much chance that the opponents will declare 2♠ in their juicy 8 card fit. Yes, the opponents COULD go overboard and bid to a bad game. However, most players have pretty good methods after auctions like 1M - 2M. In theory, the 2NT bid gives them more bidding space. In practice, its unclear whether they will have detailed agreements differentiating between the two cue bids. BTW: It would be interesting to see whether there's any reason to consider inverting the 2Nt and 3♣ overcalls. Use 3♣ to show a two suited hand with the minors. use 2NT as a transfer (potentially a puppet) into clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Before people start wondering which lunatic voted for 3♣, I will plead guilty -- I gamble that they take a push (or bid game anyway), and we get a top since partner leads a club instead of a red suit as at every other table. AKQ is just seductive.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 I pass. It's wrong timing (position) to get in sitting under an unlimited opener. If LHO passes, partner is still there; he is the one with shortish spades. I hope I didn't hesitate before I passed. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Very imaginative Arend. My friend Ed also bid 3C with this hand, and his partner raised to 5C on Jxxxx. This went down 2 (undoubled!) but the opponents could make 4S. I wonder if Fred would have bid 3C too, I remember a thread where Fred made a case for a lead directing 2H overcall on AKQx (very different situation though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 pass... white/white at MP when the opps are in 2S, I love to bid on almost anything. I just don't think this hand really qualifies. If lefty is indeed passing, partner with short spades can also balance. I would like to get my lead director in but it just seems like masterminding and partner may well misjudge over a 4S bid (to take a save). If you promised that partner would never bid, I would probably bid 3C because they won't X with no trump honors. Sadly, this is not always the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 i'd pass, but only because partner still has a bid... otherwise i'd double (don't shoot me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Pass. Not the shape and not enough strenght for 2NT in this position Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 THere are occasions when you have a good hand after 1M P 2M to you. I like to be able to distinguish between when you have something, and when you don't. This isn't a good enough hand. If the bidding procedes 1S P 2S P P partner should reopen with a suitable hand, and if he doesn't have a suitable hand I don't want to be bidding now anyway. And for what it's worth, should it go 1S P 2S P P X 3S I'll still bring out the green card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 This is matchpoints, I am NV, and most opps would rather bid and and play the hand than defend so this looks like a clear-cut 3C bid to me. Why 3C? It gets partner off to the best lead; I have too much in the suit to worry about being doubled on a trump stack; and it "sounds" stronger than other bids. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Imaginative? Desperate is more like it. Pard is in the hand - let him balance if its right, and he probably will if they don't bash into a game. I can see two strange reasons for explaining what happened when the waiter that held my cards while I left the table found a call: 1 - He wanted to get a lead director in. 2 - He wanted to delude declarer on the spade situation and have declarer hook into my Qx after my 2N call. He's still waiting tables................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I have a lot of simphaty for the 3♣ bid.I don't know what I would do at the table, pass and 3♣ are my options and I think it would be a table-based decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe de Balliol Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 If I hadn't looked at this thread and a beginner had asked me what I thought of 3C I would have explained that it is an atrocious bid. I still don't like it, though I have some sympathy with the MP lead-directing aspects. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Imaginative? Desperate is more like it. Pard is in the hand - let him balance if its right, and it probably will be, if they don't bash into a game. I can see two strange reasons for explaining while the waiter that held my cards while I left the table found a call: 1 - He wanted to get a lead director in. 2 - He wanted to delude declarer on the spade situation and have declarer hook into my Qx after my 2N call. He's still waiting tables................Yeah, well, OK, but you're a lousy tipper! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 If my kid's lives hung in the balance and I HAD to get a positive result, I might try 2NT but I would WANT to pass..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 It's MP, so I'll bid 2NT. Letting them play 2♠ with a fit usually gives them a good score... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 22, 2005 Report Share Posted October 22, 2005 Letting them play 2♠ with a fit usually gives them a good score... Yes, fortunately if we pass we have a partner who can still bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 It's MP, so I'll bid 2NT. Letting them play 2♠ with a fit usually gives them a good score... But 2S is often the par score (in fact it is the sixth most common par score at none vulnerable), so not letting them play in 2S may give them a better score! Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 I believe if you want to bid - and at matchpoints always wanting to bid is the right "feel", LoL, - then you should strongly consider 3C. Reasons: A) The opponents have found their fit so partner will be on lead - you really, really would like a club lead - a 1 trick difference is all you need at matchpoints. B) Partner is short in spades, so it must be right to balance if the opps are stopping, and 3H is more likely to get doubled and go off too much. C) AKQ10 suit is not going to get doubled by a trump stack - this is the key issue, I believe. Even if we get to play a 4/2 fit undoubled, scrambling 7 tricks will be a winner. D) If the opps were going to game, they will do so anyway and will not stop to double holding Jxxx of clubs. E) MY pard will Always lead low from Kxx of diamonds - I have to prevent this at all costs. :P Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 24, 2005 Report Share Posted October 24, 2005 Dealer: West Vul: None Scoring: MP ♠ xxx ♥ Qx ♦ 10xxx ♣ AKQ10 (1S)-pass-(2S) So, if pd is listening to this bidding:1 Spade pass 2 Spade 3 Club4 Spade ?? and he looks at something like 1534 with no attractive values. Does he pass and lead a club? Maybe. But more likely he will bid 5 Club (like I would) and you have a choice between 5 Club X -5 or -4. So, IF the opps are going to play this hand and IF they never double without big trumps and IF pd just raises my suits, when they are worth being raised, then 3 Club MAY have some advantages. But too many ifs are a no.... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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