mr1303 Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Playing Acol, weak NT, 4 card majors. [hv=d=s&v=b&s=saqtxhatxxdqxxckx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Bidding procedes: 1H (2C) 2H (3C)to you What do you bid now? Partner's 2H is fairly similar to a 2/1 or SAYC 2H bid in competition, as far as our agreements go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 pass. I have no game interest, only 4 trumps and a balanced hand with lots of defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I'm also passing. I can't see any attractive bids, and I can't see much that goes wrong if I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 pass. I have no game interest, only 4 trumps and a balanced hand with lots of defense. Indeed. So do you fancy doubling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 My club holding makes me worry that a double is too dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Pass seems pretty clear to me. ♣K is of dubious value on the auction. I don't think they have stolen anything from us if partner can't bid again. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 pass. I have no game interest, only 4 trumps and a balanced hand with lots of defense. Indeed. So do you fancy doubling? X is ok but I'd like even more defense. My CK is pretty dubious as roland said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Dbl. Invitational. What would I have bid after the raise with no competition? 3H. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Dbl. Invitational. What would I have bid after the raise with no competition? 3H. With kind regardsMarlowe I would not opposite a single raise, and especially not now that my opponents have told me that my ♣K is most likley not worth the 3 hcp I counted when I picked my hand up. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 pass also... with ♥ or ♠K instead of ♣K, i'd double (even at imps) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 hum.. club king is bad, but we do have the balance of points. I guess I'd double, though not very happily about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 How do people play this double? Is this a ) a command for partner to pass?b ) a request for partner to do the right thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 How do people play this double? Is this a ) a command for partner to pass?b ) a request for partner to do the right thing? b ), mainly with the focus of playing 3H or 4H.It is not a penalty double. Marlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Pass, I don't like my ♣K anymore Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 How do people play this double? Is this a ) a command for partner to pass?b ) a request for partner to do the right thing? b ), mainly with the focus of playing 3H or 4H.It is not a penalty double. MarloweI was about to argue with you until I reread your post and found we agree on b :) However, were the scoring MPs instead, I think partner should pass the double as often as not at these colours if in the upper range and not in posession of a 9-card trump fit, even if not holding anything special in the enemy suit. Typically, the three level is for the opponents, and plus 200 would be great where minus 100 might be a disaster - although I admit this is just my opinion. Sometimes I like to gamble a little when the payoff is big enough and to me, +200 on a partscore hand at matchpoints is a humungous payoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 From what I understand of Acol, which is not a lot, partner does not show 4 trumps with 2♥. Luckily I have a nice bid to describe my hand now, pass, since after the 2♣ overcall I devalue my hand to be a weak NT hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Anyway, I decided to double, which was risky since partner decided to leave it in. He held: xxxQxxxKxxxxx and we duly wrote down -670 on the card. I pointed out that double was not 100% for penalty, and that with 4 trumps and a 5 count, he should pull. He disagreed, saying that doubles are for penalty once we've found a fit. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Anyway, I decided to double, which was risky since partner decided to leave it in. He held: xxxQxxxKxxxxx and we duly wrote down -670 on the card. I pointed out that double was not 100% for penalty, and that with 4 trumps and a 5 count, he should pull. He disagreed, saying that doubles are for penalty once we've found a fit. Oh well. It all depends on your agreement. Is double penalty or not, or is it a game try in hearts? No matter what, as previously said, you don't have a double with that hand. You have no penalty of 3♣ and you have no game try opposite a single raise. This has become a likely 12 count on the auction. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 This is a frequently-repeated debate.I play double as penalties here (and no, I wouldn't have doubled... though I might at matchpoints). I also wouldn't have pulled on your partner's hand. But it's all a matter of agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Playing Acol, weak NT, 4 card majors. [hv=d=s&v=b&s=saqtxhatxxdqxxckx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Bidding procedes: 1H (2C) 2H (3C)to you What do you bid now? Partner's 2H is fairly similar to a 2/1 or SAYC 2H bid in competition, as far as our agreements go. easy pass for IMP, for MP, I'd double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalvan14 Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 I would probably pass over 3♣.A double would show a 16-17 HCP balanced hand, and would leave the decision for the final contract to partner (but with his cards, minimum 2♥ bid, 4 trumps and 1 trick or less in defense i would certainly bid 3♥ over the double).let me amend my 1st statement: I would pass at IMPs, but would double at MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 After this auction I play:- DBL: penalty - 3D (only free suit): invite for 4H- 3H: extra shape, probably 5cH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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