Poky Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 IMP. Only we vul. ♠K652♥Q♦KQ72♣AKJ6 (1♠) pass (pass) ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 1nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 1NT would be more like 11-15 here, which is a bit of an underbid. Double might work out ok, but might not. It depends on whether partner will bid too many hearts. 2NT might be ok, but that's a bit of an overbid. There's something to be said for pass on this sort of hand. Declarer will usually struggle to make 1S here.All things considered, I think I'll pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I dbl then NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I'm bidding 2NT (18-20ish natural), via elimination of the other possibilities. 2♣ or 2♦ really mis-states the hand. 1NT is a huge underbid. Double looks right, treating the hand as a standard strong no trump, except that it goes wrong when partner bids too many hearts. Pass is the only really viable alternative, but at these colours I'm too worried about collecting 50s against our game. Which leaves me with the slight overbid of 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Dbl... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Dbl, but not feeling all so happy about it. GBB :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 If you play 1S-p-p-2NT as 17-18 or 17-19, you can bid that. If you play it as 18-20, double first and bid NT afterwards. Regardless of the method, pass can be a winner here. Especially if LHO has hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 X...awful but red white I just feel too strong to pass. Not good enough for 2N. I don't remember ever doing this with a stiff heart and no way to control the auction :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Double looks right, treating the hand as a standard strong no trump, except that it goes wrong when partner bids too many hearts. Hmm. If partner jumps to 3♥, I see nothing wrong with playing 3NT. Now ok, if he jumps to 4♥, I have to say "vglp", but is that at all likely? Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 I dbl then NT Ditto, I fully expect a H bid from pard and will bid 2NT to show my 15-18 hcp hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 X...awful but red white I just feel too strong to pass. Not good enough for 2N. I don't remember ever doing this with a stiff heart and no way to control the auction :) I believe that 2NT shows the 19-20 hcp hand. With x,xx,HHxxx,HHHxx what is the best bid to show the minors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 X...awful but red white I just feel too strong to pass. Not good enough for 2N. I don't remember ever doing this with a stiff heart and no way to control the auction :) I believe that 2NT shows the 19-20 hcp hand. With x,xx,HHxxx,HHHxx what is the best bid to show the minors? I agree with you (though I'd say a good 18-20 probably). With the minors you just have to bid one then the other. With a (very) strong hand you have to start with a X unless you have the agreement that a cuebid is ANY strong 2 suiter in balancing seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Spade length and spots don't encourage a pass, 2N is too much, so I'm down to a double and a rebid of NT if partner bids hearts; however, if partner bids a minor, I think I prefer a raise of the minor rather than a NT bid; there is also I believe a real risk here of balancing the opps into a heart game if LHO is 6/4 and RHO had too weak of hand to feel comfortable with a 3 heart bid. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 2NT, 16-18 as I play it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Pass is out: even if we beat it (and I am not optimistic with these spots in ♠) 50 a trick seems like a poor reward for such a powerful hand. 1N is merely a poor compromise between pass and showing our hand: it trades 50 a trick for the joy of playing 1N too often Double and then bid some number (low as possible) of NT seems the best of a bad lot. Partner will not commit to 4♥ without 6 of them, and maybe we have a play opposite that holding. My main worry is that we have little defence to 4♥ by them! The only alternative is 2N immediately. I like that to be 19-20, and this hand should be downgraded, not upgraded. I do not think that 2N will prompt partner to insist upon ♥ any more than my double/NT sequence. But it will prompt him to generally overbid, and while that can be okay on some hands, this one doesn't look like a good example. BTW, I really admire the choice of double followed by 1N. I am just not sure that I can trust someone to make an insufficent bid, or that I can accept it in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 BTW, I really admire the choice of double followed by 1N. I am just not sure that I can trust someone to make an insufficent bid, or that I can accept it in time. What do you mean? It's going to go 1S p p X XX p p 1N :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Double seems obvious and painful. I hate this hand, please post only nice hands from now on :P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 IMP. Only we vul. ♠K652♥Q♦KQ72♣AKJ6 (1♠) pass (pass) ??? 1nt, HQ should be devalued and SKxxx sucks, you are in the right range if you play 1nt to show 12-16. If you hold SKT9x, it becomes tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impact Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Ah, another person who favours Blue Club style balancing methods (much stronger 1NT up to 13-16 depending upon suit opened) as the hand with length in their suit should be stronger to compensate for the risk, the likelihood of opponents being in the wrong suit (particularly given how direct takeout doubles could be much lighter than in years gone by) and the offshape nature of the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 2NT, 16-18 as I play it Same for me Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Bear of a hand. I con't convince myself that this comes even remotely close to an 18 count. Passing looks like +50 exactly, but my pard with his golden arm is on lead, so it might be -80. Commiting this hand to 2N doubling first seems wrong to me. Normal defense is to knock out the K♠ and get in with the probable A♦ and cash a few more. +120 is possible I guess, but they probably make a 6th trick in the wash for a certain AVE -. I think I'm trying a really offbeat 2♣ and I can see a Vondracek-style 2♦. Either of these could be really silly on a Burn's Fit, but chances are we have at least a Moysian in both. LHO surely gives me an opening trick on lead and I should be able to scramble 7 more. I'll probably pass 2♥ if pard bids it; he should be able to scramble a few tricks - hopefully his heart spots are decent. I kind of like Jimmy's ultra-underbid of 1N too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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