Rebid Headache

[Winstonm]

[hv=d=n&v=b&s=s63haj4da108532cj5]133|100|Scoring: IMP

2/1

 

1♠1N

2♥?

 

Now what?[/hv]

[Trpltrbl]

I don't like my options to much, but I will bid 3♦, I do have 2 aces and 6 card suit.

Maybe pd will make me happy and rebid 3♥.

But I have too much for simple 2♠

 

GBB :lol:

[pbleighton]

3D for me is weak, and I would rather play in 2H.

 

My choices are Pass and 2NT. Red at IMPs, I bid 2NT.

 

Peter

[bearmum]

[hv=d=n&v=b&s=s63haj4da108532cj5]133|100|Scoring: IMP

2/1

 

1♠1N

2♥?

 

Now what?[/hv]

I will PASS 2♥ because I don't figure we have game on so prefer to play in possible 4/3 fit rather than play ♦'s at 3 level

[Blofeld]

Would 3♦ over 1♠ have been invitational?

 

If so, I might have preferred to bid that, but admittedly the texture of the suit inclines me not to.

[Winstonm]

Would 3♦ over 1♠ have been invitational?

 

If so, I might have preferred to bid that, but admittedly the texture of the suit inclines me not to.

2D followed by 3D is the only way to show 11ish with good diamonds in our treatments.

[han]

Note that this hand is much easier when playing Riton 2C or Gazilli.

[mike777]

[hv=d=n&v=b&s=s63haj4da108532cj5]133|100|Scoring: IMP

2/1

 

1♠1N

2♥?

 

Now what?[/hv]

2S

 

Common problem in my style. Long minor and invite hand. One must choose to live with it as we have no fully satisfactory solution.

 

At the table this seems to be less a problem than in theory or in Bidding Magazine quizes. I have a lot of reasons why I lose team games but this has not been one.

 

Sound openers can chance a 2nt rebid, light openers rebid 2S :lol:.

[Guest Jlall]

2N...truly a disgusting bid. I would bid 2S at MP, but at imps red I just don't think that bid does justice to our hand. 3D is not invitational. I strongly believe in the rule "do not raise partner's second suit with only 3." If there was ever a hand to raise to 3H on 3, this is it, but I don't think there is lol. Over 2N maybe partner will bid 3 of a major or 3D (yeah right keep dreaming!) If he passes it's almost surely wrong, if he bids 3N I'll hope to find some tricks somewhere :lol:

[Winstonm]

My thinking, and not necessarily right, is that partner having shown 9 cards in the majors that it is unlikely that NT is right for us and unless partner has some extras we don't have much play for game - so I am a 2S bidder.

 

Next question: to make a game try over 2S, should north bid out his shape with either 3C or 3D showing 5413 either way and 2N 5422?

 

Winston

[mike777]

Yes.

[MickyB]

Note that this hand is much easier when playing Riton 2C or Gazilli.

It is even easier playing lightish 2/1s - respond 2♦ and bid 2♠ (NF) over 2♥.

[ArcLight]

2♠

 

You are stronger than pard expects, but unless he has a monster, game is very risky in ♠ 5-2 or ♥ 4-3

 

Pard is short in the minors and ♣ may be a disaster, esp. since you may be exposing pards stopper.

 

Sign off in 2♠. Let pard continue if he wants, maybe he's 6-5 :-)

[Chamaco]

This auction is a textbook example of why here 2NT should be used as Good-bad or Lebensohl or whatever you want to call it to discriminate a good 3D rebid vs a bad 3D signoff offer.

[mikeh]

3♥

 

In the old days, when no-one was afraid of 4-3 fits, this would be clear :)

 

Ok, maybe not clear.

 

At mps I would pass but at imps I need to try for game.

 

I can take the ♣ tap in my hand if need be, or I can ruff a ♠ or two. 3♥ is obviously fine if he holds 5 of them, but then so is 2N.

The problem with 2N is that he may pass or bid 3N when neither is good. ♥ rates to be a playable strain so long as he has decent texture: I do have 2 honours for him.

[mikeh]

This auction is a textbook example of why here 2NT should be used as Good-bad or Lebensohl or whatever you want to call it to discriminate a good 3D rebid vs a bad 3D signoff offer.

Then what do you bid with a 2=3=4=4 11 count? Count me out for an artificial meaning in this sequence

[Chamaco]

With invitational hands with doubleton support you can preference to the 3 level.

 

I prefer this occasional 5-2 fit rather than not being able to discriminate my minors one-suiters.

 

Another option of keeping 2NT as Good-bad is taking out of the 1NT forcing the invitational balanced hand.

 

This can be done without much trouble if using:

 

a1. 2-way 1M:2C = either clubs GF or balanced invitational; OR else

a2. using Gitelman (or Lawrence) 2/1 style, use 1M:2NT as natural INVITATIONAL rather than natural GF bal.

 

b. regardless of using a1 or a2, inserting the GF balanced hands in 1NT forcing.

 

This way you can use 2NT as "Lebensohl" in the 1NT forcing sequences.

[luke warm]

whew.. i think, since it's imps, i'd bid 3D... MPs i'd bid 2S

[P_Marlowe]

2NT, showing a bal. 10-12 count.

 

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

My thinking, and not necessarily right, is that partner having shown 9 cards in the majors that it is unlikely that NT is right for us and unless partner has some extras we don't have much play for game - so I am a 2S bidder.

 

Next question: to make a game try over 2S, should north bid out his shape with either 3C or 3D showing 5413 either way and 2N 5422?

 

Winston

Hi,

 

the main problem with 2S is, that

opener may think you hold 4-7HCP

with 3 card support, ... depends which options

are included in your 1NT.

 

Now I am the first to look for plus scores,

even playing TEAM, but you are red, playing

IMP's and underbidding will miss to often

a game, even for my taste.

 

Either show your strength or show your 6 card

suit, but hiding either feature, is no real option.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

Would 3♦ over 1♠ have been invitational?

 

If so, I might have preferred to bid that, but admittedly the texture of the suit inclines me not to.

2D followed by 3D is the only way to show 11ish with good diamonds in our treatments.

What was you intention bidding 1 NT?

 

You should have decided what to do

before making the 1NT bid, i.e. either

overbid 2D followed by 3D, underbid giving

a weak preference with 2S or ly about your

shape, ie. bid 2NT.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Trpltrbl]

This auction is a textbook example of why here 2NT should be used as Good-bad or Lebensohl or whatever you want to call it to discriminate a good 3D rebid vs a bad 3D signoff offer.

I agree.

 

GBB :)

[mike777]

My thinking, and not necessarily right, is that partner having shown 9 cards in the majors that it is unlikely that NT is right for us and unless partner has some extras we don't have much play for game - so I am a 2S bidder.

 

Next question: to make a game try over 2S, should north bid out his shape with either 3C or 3D showing 5413 either way and 2N 5422?

 

Winston

Hi,

 

the main problem with 2S is, that

opener may think you hold 4-7HCP

with 3 card support, ... depends which options

are included in your 1NT.

 

Now I am the first to look for plus scores,

even playing TEAM, but you are red, playing

IMP's and underbidding will miss to often

a game, even for my taste.

 

Either show your strength or show your 6 card

suit, but hiding either feature, is no real option.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

yes, you may be very weak and partner will also think you may have 8-10/11hcp and should try for game at imps. That is why this is a problem, partner can have 4-10/11 hcp when opening light. With the opp silent and if opener has a max then I say make a game try and live with it.

[han]

This auction is a textbook example of why here 2NT should be used as Good-bad or Lebensohl or whatever you want to call it to discriminate a good 3D rebid vs a bad 3D signoff offer.

I agree.

 

GBB :lol:

I disagree.

[Double !]

Note that this hand is much easier when playing Riton 2C or Gazilli.

Note that this hand is much easier if playing 2/1 GF except for suit rebid (and a few other exceptions) for those who are uncomfortable with Godzilla or 2C Riton.

Invitational jump-shifts are another option, but this diamond suit ain't all that good although the bid describes the range of the hand.

 

Given vanilla 2/1, I like the 2 aces but, at mp, I might just take a false preference to 2S and hope that P can make another move.

 

:lol:

 

DHL