Pass or bid?

[Fluffy]

You absolutely have a minimum hand, or even sub-minimum, why is poeple voting for 4♠? I guess that's why some people play jump raises to the 3 level as forcing, seems many players never reject an invitation

[the hog]

4S. Not close.

[HeartA]

Wow I was about to write "4S wtp." As of now I'm outvoted 4-1 though lol. Well to me 3S shows a LOT of extras. Partner could have bid 2S which would show extras (IE 3514 15 count). He must have a nice 17 or 3505 with compensating values or so, just under jump shift strength. My diamond card being the ace instead of something wasted is a big plus, my CQ seems to be useful, and I have 5 trumps. I imagine game will be touch and go, but we are red at imps so that's fine with me.

I am with you, Justin. I would bid 4♠.

[mike777]

You have:

 

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> West </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> E/W </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> J8543 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> T </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> AT763 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> Q3 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

 

Pass 1♥ Double 1♠

Pass 2♣ Pass 2♦*

Pass 3♠ Pass ?

 

* Not 4th suit forcing

Thanks for posting this hand, the more I think about it the more meat I see.

 

I do not see how partner can be as good as:

Axx=AQxxx=void=AKxxx

 

Partner has made not one but 2 free bids, I would bid 4s with that hand over 2D.

[adhoc3]

(the trumps are breaking badly, pards cards are in front of the t/o doubler etc.)

In view of t/o double, I'll pass.

 

♠ could be 1345 and ♥5521, maybe worse. PD's strength mainly located in ♥ and ♣, otherwise he would bid differently. Guess PD was testing 52 trump.

[Guest Jlall]

I'm not sure if it's the "Justin effect" but 4♠ has now overtaken Pass in the poll.

lol, I'm sure it was just a coincidence. Me voting for a bid makes others less likely to do it, just ask my partners :)

[Winstonm]

4S. Virtually every card in my hand has gone up in value and I have a 5th spade plus shape.

 

Winston

[Blofeld]

4S. Virtually every card in my hand has gone up in value and I have a 5th spade plus shape.

 

Winston

Haven't we already shown five spades?

[Guest Jlall]

Have we? Or could we be 4-6... I've never played 2D natural here so have no idea lol.

[Blofeld]

Well yes, that's my basic problem with things. I don't fully understand the implications of the 2♦ bid, or the implications of not making the 2♦ bid when it's available. My intuitive interpretation is that we've shown five spades, but I could be wrong (and if we have only shown four then I think I change my vote to 4♠).

[jdeegan]

:D I think you have to bid four. Partner is advertising three spades, one diamond and fifteen to seventeen HCP. Something like:

[hv=s=saqxhkq10xxdxckj10x]133|100|[/hv]

If this piece of cheese offers a good play for four spades, how can you not bid four?

In may cases bidding is nothing more than mental play.

[cherdano]

I'm not sure if it's the "Justin effect" but 4♠ has now overtaken Pass in the poll.

lol, I'm sure it was just a coincidence. Me voting for a bid makes others less likely to do it, just ask my partners :D

Yes, as I said unfortunately I had voted already before I saw that my vote was agreeing with you.

 

Arend

[Kalvan14]

You have:

 

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> West </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> E/W </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> J8543 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> T </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> AT763 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> Q3 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

 

Pass 1♥ Double 1♠

Pass 2♣ Pass 2♦*

Pass 3♠ Pass ?

 

* Not 4th suit forcing

Thanks for posting this hand, the more I think about it the more meat I see.

 

I do not see how partner can be as good as:

Axx=AQxxx=void=AKxxx

 

Partner has made not one but 2 free bids, I would bid 4s with that hand over 2D.

Pard has not made 2 free bids: in my view 1♠ ignores the double and is 1-round forcing.

The point is quite different: if pard has a minimum to average hand (say, up to 15 HCP) , he would raise ♠, without introducing ♣. Otherwise he is self-fixed in an auction like the one which is being discussed: 2♠ would be a weak preference, denying a 3-card fit.

My first gut-feeling would be to bid 4♠; and I would certainly bid it playing with a partner I have confidence in. The only negative feature of my hand is the ♠ texture.

I fail to understand how 2♦ could be other than a 4th suit forcing.