42 Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 [hv=d=n&v=n&n=shq52da84caqj10642&w=skq1095hak94dk6ck3&e=sa76hj1076dqj107c95&s=sj8432h83d9532c87]399|300|Scoring: IMPbidding:1♣ pass pass dbl1♠ 2♥ 2♠ dbl3♣ pass pass 3♥all pass[/hv]4♠ is cold. Questions: Should W bid differently?Should E bid differently?Which are the weapons against bluffs in general? Caren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 (edited) The problems started with the 1S bid. In balancing seat, this bid is limited to about 15. With more you need to X. It often sucks when you have some offshape hands, but since your bottom range is so low in balancing seat, your upper range needs to adjust accordingly. Had west Xed planning to show a strong hand there wouldnt be much chance of avoiding game as it turns out. edit: I'll leave this post up to show what happens when you are up too early in the morning :) Sorry, I saw the 1S bid and assumed it was west lol. Edited October 13, 2005 by Jlall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Justin, West Xed ! It's north that bid 1♠ in the void ! Btw, I don't know if we will play 4♠ but we surely will play 4♥ when partner make the 2♥ free bid ! Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 yah, gotta have my coffee b4 looking at those tiny diagrams.....the free H bid says it all..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 My understanding was that West DID double planning on showing a strong hand, and then North psyched the 1S bid. Whether or not this psyche has been revealed or not I'm not sure. I think there's something to be said about South's passing 3C so quickly..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 rofl ok...my bad... missed that X. OK in that case west should have just bid 4H after 3C p p. Partner made a free 2H bid so west can bid game. It also should be obvious after you Xed them and they ran that 1S was a psyche (it was obvious to south it seems). In general when they psyche you have to pay them off from time to time. Sometimes their partners will bury them for you, and then you can X. Other times you will be able to X for penalty/cards and they will be smoked out when they run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Yeah, but 4H doesn't make, since it's played the wrong way up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Yeah, but 4H doesn't make, since it's played the wrong way up. This will not be the first time that I bid a game that doesn't make ! :P :) Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcLight Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 How is 4♠ cold?If North didn't bid 1♠ then East would have been the declarer.I see 2 Club losers (on a club lead), 1 Diamond, and a Spade.You wont be able to pick up all of Souths Spades without finessing through them twice, and you have just one entry. I think 4♠ is down 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Assuming that north refuses to take the ♦K on the first round of the suit [else trivial], and wins the second round of the suit, any return he makes is going to give another entry to dummy. Someone can probably explain why this doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Not sure why east would end up declaring spades. East would end up declaring hearts which does indeed go down on a club lead. If spades is played then west would be declarer. North would not enjoy leading :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 About the only "psyche-revealing" bid I can think of is when East can bid 2♠ naturally on his first turn, although I think this usually comes up when the psyche is by responder. You could also have the agreement that 2♠ by West is natural, but I think it's more appropriate to use it as a control cue bid in support of partner's ♥. In this case I think you should be thanking North for muddying the auction. Without his interference, you would probably have landed in 4♥. Even if you discover the 5-3 ♠ fit, it's usually preferable to play in the 4-4 fit. The reasons this hand plays better in spades are difficult to determine during the auction, except that you may be able to tell that West's minor-suit kings need to be protected from being led through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Let's really put the pressure on and have South bid 1s over 1 club opening and have north rebid 2clubs, pressure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Btw, I don't know if we will play 4♠ but we surely will play 4♥ when partner make the 2♥ free bid!Hmmmm.... I bid only 3♥ because ♣K was for the oven and you know it from the bidding. Imo :). Partner made just 3♥, the opps were not blind ;) We knew that 1♠ was a psyche but partner was not sure that I held 5 and I could not know that she had 3 (44 is easier, or?).The argument for a 44 vs a 53 trump-fit does not really apply here because the former bidding (and therefore the question who is on lead -> you must protect 2 Kings) is very important. The main point in this hand is not to avoid losers by discarding on length. Imo :P Caren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Btw, I don't know if we will play 4♠ but we surely will play 4♥ when partner make the 2♥ free bid!Hmmmm.... I bid only 3♥ because ♣K was for the oven and you know it from the bidding. Imo :P. I agree, the CK is a bad card, but you don't know for sure where the ace or queen are, partner could have one of them. Even barring that, you still just needed to find the HQ to make a game, so it's not a bad proposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Btw, I don't know if we will play 4♠ but we surely will play 4♥ when partner make the 2♥ free bid!Hmmmm.... I bid only 3♥ because ♣K was for the oven and you know it from the bidding. Imo :). I agree, the CK is a bad card, but you don't know for sure where the ace or queen are, partner could have one of them. Even barring that, you still just needed to find the HQ to make a game, so it's not a bad proposition.*hehe* Then it was female intuition which said that the cards were where they were ;) On the other hand I must have bid 4♠ then :P But provided that N did not instantly bluff in 1. seat with the opening, and the free 2♥ bid by partner, wasn't it more likely that N held the "keycards" for this game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 But provided that N did not instantly bluff in 1. seat with the opening, and the free 2♥ bid by partner, wasn't it more likely that N held the "keycards" for this game? yes for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 whats amazing is that south still didnt bid 3♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Not really...he is allowed to use his brain. They Xed pard for penalty in 2S, and he ran to 3C...hmmmm...not rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotShot Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 The problem is that the second dbl carries to few information about your distribution. You could bid 2NT to show a strong hand with some hold in all suits and to protect your K's. This must promise very solid ♠ stopper.You could bid 3♠ instead, if your partner could smell the psyche, she would know you hold 5 cards then. Again protecting your K's.You are right, you should not push to game, if you are not playing, because your minor K's loose value, if your partner gets declarer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 With my f2f p, we usually don't have much problems when opps bluff in competitive auctions. However we'd start the bidding otherwise... In this particular hand, from the moment North moves to 3♣, it's clear he bluffed the 1♠ bid, so with the exact same continuation, West has 5+♠ and 4+♥, so no problem to bid 4♥ imo, since p started with Dbl, not 1♠... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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