Two Magic Cards

[MickyB]

[hv=d=w&n=sakqhaj8xxdcakjtx&s=sxxhqxxdxxxxxcqxx]133|200|Scoring: IMP

West opens 1♦, are you going to reach slam?[/hv]

[kfgauss]

As far as I can tell, you'll double and then partner will bid 1♥ and then you'll probably be excited enough to force to slam, lacking tools to stay out of it. You can try bidding clubs at some point and seeing partner's reaction perhaps.

 

For example, over: (1D)

X 1H

2D 2H

3C ?

 

Partner probably bids 3NT (?). This didn't help (that hand is really never going to be encouraging), and now we've lost the ability to find out about heart keycards for the grand it seems.

 

We could just bid 5D exclusion over 1H, planning on asking for the queen if we find the missing keycard (still no way to check on clubs, but the missing club queen is likely onside) or even just bidding the grand hoping the 1D bidder has both Queens (probably ill advised).

 

Andy

[Free]

We start with power doubles, but after 2♥ we have to improvise:

 

Dbl - 1NT*

2♣* - 2♥*

4♦* - ???

 

1NT = 0-8HCP, no 4M

2♣ = relay, either minimum with ♣ OR any hand with extra values

2♥ = 0-5HCP, 3 card ♥

 

4♦ should be splinter with lots of extra values and ♥ fit. Now south can re-evaluate his hand: he has a useful ♣Q and ♥Q, and even without these partner wants to play game. Best continuation might probably be 5♥, invite or so, and Doubler decides...

 

Not easy!

 

With natural methods, I'd just start with 2NT: 55+♥-♣, weak or GF. After the 'signoff' from partner, you can bid 3♠ showing the strong hand and exact distribution. South will have to take control, and it's still not easy to determine how strong North is exactly.

[luke warm]

starting with x is kinda dangerous... would anyone bid 2nt over 1d? then, if 3h, 5d xrkc? or is it too risky with the spades (advancer could have 4 or 5 or more)?

[Guest Jlall]

I would start with X. I hate it, but 2N is not appealing either with such a complex hand. We really want partner to describe their hand and not us describe our hand (because we will never be able to describe this many points).

[mike777]

1) start with x

2) If partner can respond 1h then

3) plan to bid 4s rkc for hearts

4) over 4nt=0-3 will bid 5c to ask for heart Q

 

Please note this is the one in a million hand I will break Bergen rule and try for slam after one level opening bid.

[Guest Jlall]

1) start with x

2) If partner can respond 1h then

3) plan to bid 4s rkc for hearts

4) over 4nt=0-3 will bid 5c to ask for heart Q

 

Please note this is the one in a million hand I will break Bergen rule and try for slam after one level opening bid.

why is 4S keycard and not spades?

[HeartA]

start with dbl, there is NO doubt about it. As South, the only response is 1♥, there is not other choice imo. We would reach 6♥ via cue-bids etc.

[Fluffy]

The start should be something like

 

2NT-3♥

3♠-4♣

 

But even then reaching slam seems very hard, diuble fit is almost sure but there are 3 key cards missing still, no way to ask at this level so just blast it would be the only way to reach.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

to answer your question: no.

 

I would dbl, and raise partners

1H to 4H, which describes my

strength, partner will pass and we

will collect our 2 overtricks,

everybody who reaches 5H should

ask himself, if he also gets there without

partners Queen of Heart.

 

Now even 5H may fail.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Gerben42]

I start with 2NT which is either weak or strong. After partner's preference bid of 3♥ I bid 4♦, cuebid. This is even stronger than a raise to 4♥ or 3♠ cuebid which would already be quite strong. Partner will now bid 5♣ showing a working card in ♣.

 

Perhaps a MisIry type approach would be best here.

[joker_gib]

It is almost impossible to partner to evaluate both magic cards if you don't bid a 2-suiter and the first opportunity !

 

I think I'm with Gerben, I'd bid 2NT and 4♦ cue on 3♥ to show a monster.

 

Now, maybe a jump to 5 by partner with both working card is OK.

 

Alain

[Finch]

I would double, and I imagine I would end in slam after the 1H response. I know partner has two magic queens, but against that he only has 3 hearts. As slam is not unplayable opposite xxx xxxx xxx xxx (trumps 2-2 and the club finesse) it's difficult to see partner being able to evaluate accurately for 6.

[mike777]

1) start with x

2) If partner can respond 1h then

3) plan to bid 4s rkc for hearts

4) over 4nt=0-3 will bid 5c to ask for heart Q

 

Please note this is the one in a million hand I will break Bergen rule and try for slam after one level opening bid.

why is 4S keycard and not spades?

Thanks for the question Justin. As I rarely get to play Kickback, but am eager to practice it as much as possible I asked a few other players who do use it often to answer your inquiry.

 

Got a couple of answers but basically this was the response:

 

"ok....not sure you'd want to kick back....I think if you are reach slam, opener might just have to blast it.....OR

perhaps he could leap to 4 diamonds AND then bid kickback, which would be exclusion blackwood (and avoid the slight ambiguity of the immediate blast to 4 spades)."

[mikeh]

How about double then 5♥

 

This surely cannot ask about the ♦ suit (is 'surely' an overbid?)

 

I think that double then 2♦ then 5♥ asks about diamonds.

 

Qxx is not good enough to reach slam here :P

 

Oh well

[Trpltrbl]

I start with 2NT which is either weak or strong. After partner's preference bid of 3♥ I bid 4♦, cuebid. This is even stronger than a raise to 4♥ or 3♠ cuebid which would already be quite strong. Partner will now bid 5♣ showing a working card in ♣.

 

Perhaps a MisIry type approach would be best here.

Problem with 2 NT is that a possible nice ♠ fit is gone.

 

GBB :rolleyes:

[han]

I think that the problem with 2NT is that you can never convince partner of your incredible strength. Getting to spades should not be a problem. You will bid 3S over whatever preference partner makes. This should show gameforcing strength with 3505 shape.

[Trpltrbl]

You will bid 3S over whatever preference partner makes. This should show gameforcing strength with 3505 shape.

Couldn't it be a controlshowing bid with strong hand?

Couldn't you be 6-5 ?

If it would show a GF + hand with exact 3-5-0-5 that would be nice, but most of us don't live in that perfect world.

 

GBB :D

[HeartA]

Hi,

 

to answer your question: no.

 

I would dbl, and raise partners

1H to 4H, which describes my

strength, partner will pass and we

will collect our 2 overtricks,

everybody who reaches 5H should

ask himself, if he also gets there without

partners Queen of Heart.

 

Now even 5H may fail.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

I don't agree with this. How many times pd responds 1♥ with 3 small ♥? Even without ♥Q, 6♥ is still a good contract provided that pd has 4 or more ♥s.