inquiry Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=s652haqj3dakj73c4]133|100|Scoring: MPBPO-006B LHO Opens 1♠, Pard passes, RHO bids 3♠ (preemptive). [/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 BPO-006B: Double There are two critical issues for this hand: First: Give partner King third of Hearts and Qx of Diamonds along with his marked Spade shortage and 4H rolls home. I trust my partners to balance, however, forcing a mandatory balancing double on xKxxQxxxxxxxx is a bit rich for my blood. The first choice in the hand is whether or not to take direct action or give up on a lot of very reasonable games. Second: If you do decide to act in direct seat, whats the best bid? There are any number of bids that COULD work: Pass, Double, and Four Diamonds, all have their appeal. Hell 3NT might even work if the Spade honors are split. I'm not especially fond of Equal Level Conversion - more importantly, I doubt whether BBO Advanced specifies ELC at the four level - however, if there is one sequence where ELC should apply, its this one: Our bidding space is exceptionally cramped. Being able to explore for the best game should take precedence over showing a monster single-suiter with Diamonds. (I can jump in Diamonds if its that important). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Yup, double for me too for similar reasons. 4H is likely our best contract and this is the only way to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 opposite that example how will you get to 4H? Will partner bid it in preference to a 5 card club suit with 3 hearts? Will the opps let you play there anyways when they are likely cold for 4S? Isn't it a little contrived that partner has 0 black suit HCP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 I also double, but with nagging doubts as for what to do over 5♣ (we have to pass I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 I also think we have to pass 5C, but I will bid 4D over 4C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 I passed, but I can see that double or 4♦ could work. However, preempts work, and a lot of the time that we want to be going somewhere partner is going to muster a double. Double and then bidding 4♦ over 4♣ should show something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 i dont know why but passed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 I doubled also, but the main reason is that I want to allow partner to make a card showing double over the expected 4S. I don't expect to ever get to play this hand in hearts or diamonds and hopefully not in clubs, either. And I'm not too keen on playing 4S doubled, either, unless partner is the doubler. If partner holds some random 9-count I would expect him to double rather than jump to a dubious 5C. Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 I voted for dbl, pass would be my second choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 I pass ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 X, no second choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 006B - i voted X also, bidding 4D over 4C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 My choice was to Double ! Just hope that P doesn't have 6 (or 7) little clubs and upgrades them, thinking that I, too, am short in spades. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Strangely enough, I agree with much of the reasoning so far, but voted pass. It looks to me like the only plus will be on defense. I realize partner is unlikely to re-open. But I think it's still the spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Dbl too, 4♦ over 4♣ and pass over 5♣ :) Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 I hovered over the pass button for ages but then I doubled anyway. We are certain to have an 8-card fit (as we have only 4♠ the remaining 22 cards must have 8 of one suit), so far so good. Since my hand is pure (our side has no HCP in their suit) something is bound to make for someone. It could be us, or it could be a cheap save against 3♠. Anyway, I'm feeling robbed if I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 In another one-sided vote (again 11-2), the panel went for DBL here. Unlike the last hand, there was little sympathy for the second choice vote (pass), so the second place bid was not upgraded. DBL 11 100Pass 2 60 Once again we will start iwth the minority view, headed by reignning Junior World Champpion, Justin Lall. "B ) Pass. Interesting hand. Partner almost surely has 0-1 spades so if we have a red suit fit my hand could play very well. The problem is I have no way to get in there. If I double, I could easily imagine it going 4S, 5C and me having to pull. If I bid 4D that would be unilateral and leave hearts out of play. I'm going to pass becuase even though I doubt defending 3S is best, I have no idea how to get to the best contract. " Agreeing with Justin, was Fluffy: "Pass, I hate this deal, but can't help it." Most of the panel however, agreed with Fred, who thought pass with this hand was much too dangerous. Note Fred's dicussion of correcting clubs to diamonds and the view about bidding 4♥ or 4♦. B. DBL. It is too dangerous to Pass and, since we will never get to 4H if I bid 4D (and since 4H is where the money is), I don't like 4D here. A 4H overcall would be my second choice. In fact, I almost made it an undisciplined first choice due to the fact that we are playing matchpoints. DBL has the advantage of keeping both of my suits in the picture. Obviously I will correct any club bid that partner makes to diamonds. Yes, I will be overbidding, but given that partner is known to be short in spades, I think there is a good chance we will land on our feet. All the other panelist, more or less agreed with one or more points that Fred made. Roland: BPO-006A: Double, with the intention of correcting clubs to diamonds, thus showing a red 2-suiter. I have a rather promising hand with three small spades. Partner has 0-1, so we have a certain red fit unless he has 7 clubs. Gabor (ng) Double. T/O. I have a very good hand, and my position is comfortable. I’m able to convert any Club contract to Diamonds, and the Heart game is also in the picture. North has 0-1 Spades, so we have great chances for game. Sergey: B. Dbl - what else? :) Then raise to game or correct 4C to 4D. Richie: B. DBL ..intending 4D over the expected 4C Henri : double. and if my part raises 4♦ to five, OK for me. Gerben42: Double. Might turn a plus into a minus but partner's singleton ♠ suggests he'll bid 4♥ next. Since I didn't bid 3NT or 4/5♦ directly this should be an ELC, unless we have agreed here that a direct 4♦ shows both red suits. Jeffrey and Frances: Double. No real choice. Partner can't have that many clubs as she didn't bid 3C or 4C at green over the 1S opening. We will convert 4/5C to diamonds. Luis: Double, and will pull 4c to 4d is there a better way to describe this hand? Mikeh: Double. Risks looking very, very silly if partner bids 5♣ over 4♠ or directly over my double. But I like the vulnerability: partner did not preempt at favourable, despite his very short ♠, so we rate to have a red fit somewhere. Beto: Double. If partner bids 4♣ i will bid 4♦. Equal level conversion in a high level after a preempt does not promisse as much as if it was made after the 1-level takeout double. I would only pass if someone had a gun pointed at my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 At the table my pard bid 4♦. I had a random 8 count with 4 hearts and 2 diamonds and I think he was -1. 4♥ is a spread. Interesting to see that many play ELC in sequences like this. In my other partnership, we've agreed to pretty much play them when the doubler has to start at the 2 level and higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 My choice on this hand was pass, which I agree was wrong. Think I let MP/Green sway me far too much, if they are 2 off we should probably be in game, and our chances at finding our best fit are better than I first thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Interesting both the juniors passing while the others getting in hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Interesting both the juniors passing while the others getting in hehe rofl, juniors are conservative :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Interesting both the juniors passing while the others getting in hehe rofl, juniors are conservative ;) That's what makes it so exciting to comment on junior bridge. They do the exact opposite of what is considered "standard" by many of us :) What about this example from the Danish Cup Final yesterday: Dealer, non vul vs. vul♠ 72♥ 102♦ J97643♣ Q104 Why is it that the "obvious" 3♦ opening didn't cross my mind? Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Ed Hoogenkamp recomends opening 3♦ with this hand in his "Preemptief bieden" booklet (at favorable, 3♦ is weaker than 2♦). But maybe he was a junior when he wrote it, it's a fairly old book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I think that, over my double, pard shall bid 3NT with any excuse (even holding a potential 44 H fit) if he has a decent hand and spades stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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