Strange Hand

[G_R__E_G]

The odds of having a ten card suit are over 60,000 to 1. The odds of having two voids are over 10,000 to 1. I had both last night - in the same hand B) . This is what I picked up:

 

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Partner is dealer and opens 1♦ then pass to me. What do you bid?

[Jurek S]

4♠ and prepared to be -1 B)

[Finch]

... but the chance of a double void given that you have a 10-card suit is over 9%

[G_R__E_G]

... but the chance of a double void given that you have a 10-card suit is over 9%

 

LOL, I knew someone would bring that up. I realize that, but the way I worded it is more fun. B)

[Gerben42]

1♠, no one is forcing me to guess the final contract at this point.

 

About writing down statistics like this, it should be forbidden in commercials.

[joker_gib]

1♠, why preempt partner ?

 

I have the boss suit and can come to 4♠ later.

 

Alain

[Guest Jlall]

1S and see what happens.

[Walddk]

1♠. Hope it's not an overbid.

 

Roland

[pigpenz]

1S and see what happens.

justin im suprsised you didnt take the terrence reese outlook and pass and see what happens.

[Trpltrbl]

1♠, but in a rubber bridge game I might just pass.

 

GBB :)

[Guest Jlall]

What is the advantage of passing? To eliminate all chance of a constructive auction? If I concede it is unlikely to go all pass (which I do, but not as unlikely as you think. With a 0445 LHO will probably wonder where the spades are, and like his prospects on defense against diamonds) then what are you gaining from the pass?

[P_Marlowe]

1S intending to bid 4S, what else?

 

A direct 4S bid is probably to play,

but who knows, especially playing with

a pickup, go easy.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[whereagles]

With this hand I'll try walking the dog: bid 1♠, followed by outbidding opps in spades everytime it comes back to you.

 

With a bit of luck I'll get doubled in something like 3, 4 or 5♠ and make.

[HeartA]

1S and then 4S.

[EricK]

... but the chance of a double void given that you have a 10-card suit is over 9%

But what is the chance of a ten card suit given that you have two voids?

[Blofeld]

Around 0.8%, I think.

[MarceldB]

But what is the chance of a ten card suit given that you have two voids?

1,5213%

[Blofeld]

Oops. Missed a factor of two.

 

Marceld is right, of course.

[MarceldB]

Oops. Missed a factor of two.

 

Marceld is right, of course.

It was easy for me. I have made in the past a little prog in Filemaker on occasion of designing a relay system in which ALL shapes were included. Enable me to see which shapes are more common in a certain set.

 

Just for your info/fun:

this 10=3=0=0 shape, known with the 4♥ bid and 5-7/8 points and HCP concentrated in the 10 card (no A+K). In a earlier stage s/v ♦ (1NT bid), and Main suit ♠ with the 2♦ bid.

[Trpltrbl]

What is the advantage of passing? To eliminate all chance of a constructive auction? If I concede it is unlikely to go all pass (which I do, but not as unlikely as you think. With a 0445 LHO will probably wonder where the spades are, and like his prospects on defense against diamonds) then what are you gaining from the pass?

The advantage of passing in rubberbridge game, is that it very rarely if maybe never gets passed out.

In rubberbridge there is some trickery allowed, more so then in regular bridge.

Kinda like playing MP's where you might decided to play 3NT with a 4-4 major suit fit.

Gamble a little to get a better score, or in this case, more money.

But then again I was playing rubberbridge for a living ( college living that is )before you were born, so you might have to stick around a little :P

 

GBB :lol:

[Guest Jlall]

OK, trickery is allowed and they wont pass. I again ask: WHAT DO YOU GAIN? You may have played rubber bridge for a living when the dinosaurs ruled, fine, but I still like to gain something if I operate.

[Trpltrbl]

OK, trickery is allowed and they wont pass. I again ask: WHAT DO YOU GAIN? You may have played rubber bridge for a living when the dinosaurs ruled, fine, but I still like to gain something if I operate.

I ain't that old.

What you gain is that they don't expect that kinda hand. Like you said who would open that kinda hand with a pass?

Probably nobody, so I would possibly.

Expect the unexpected...

 

GBB :lol:

[Guest Jlall]

Partner wont expect this hand either. Opening with a pass and responding with a pass are MUCH different. There's no reason to believe this is not your hand opposite a partner who opens, and that you will need to conduct an intelligent auction to determine what level to play at. Passing kills any chance of doing that, at significant risk and seemingly (to me) no gain. Sure you trick them, but how will that help?

[pclayton]

As you can never describe an 8 card suit, you can never really convince pard you hold a 10 bagger either, even if you try to construct a constructive auction. I guess the best thing I can hope to hear is a 1N rebid by pard, whereby I can make a 3♠ xyz rebid. Over 2 of a minor, I have a problem with this hand not playing NSI.

 

After playing through some scenarios in my head, at the table, I might just trot out 6♠ directly. Its not a bad shot. :lol:

 

Start with 1♠, but I have a sneaking respect for a pass at rubber bridge (but only rubber bridge), especially if the opps have a leg on. Further, by masterminded hands like this, you will sometimes gain info that you normally wouldn't find.

[han]

I bid 1S and listen.