Finch Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=sxhaqjxxxxdc10xxxx&w=sk109xxxhxdkxxxxcx&e=sqjxxhxda9xxxcjxx&s=saxhk10xxdqjxcakqx]399|300|[/hv] Form of scoring is aggregate (total points) teams of four - not even available in the hand template, but used in England very occasionally.We were sitting NS, and the auction went: West: 2S (weak two)North: 3H (not strong enough for 4C, but can't pass)East: 4SSouth now thought:- I'm worth a slam; partner could easily have a heart/diamond 2-suiter as he looks light on HCP then my diamond holding may be useful. I could just bid 6H but grand is easily possible. South bid 5S (promising 1st round control). West: PassNorth now thought:I'm horribly light in HCP for my 3H bid, partner has every right to expect some more, if partner has something as huge as Ax Kxxx KQxx AKx she's going to bid a grand if I cue diamonds. North bid 6H. East: 6S South now thought: Partner cannot possibly have the AK of diamonds as he would have bid 6D. He might have been feeling a bit embarrassed about the overcall so he could still have the Ace, but even then we're likely to have a slow diamond loser. South: Double All pass (At the other table the auction was3S 4H 4S 7H P P 7S dblbut the 7H bid was influenced at least partly by the fact they were a long way down in the match and had just gone for 1700 against a NV game) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Frances, even without EW bidding, it's hard to bid this grand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Easy to bid the grand on paper, not that clearcut at the table. However, I think North should have shown his diamond control over 5♠. The 3♥ overcall was somewhat light in high cards, yes, but the playing strength is great, so he has nothing to be ashamed of. It's a little tame to sign off in 6♥ looking at a void in a suit below trumps. I am pretty sure that you would have bid 7♥ if North had co-operated with a 6♦ cue bid. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I have a further question to add to the list. :blink: Suppose you have agreed to play Leaping Michaels over a weak 2, e.g. 4♣ would show 2 suiter clubs + hearts. If that was available, do you think North's hand has the required strength worth a NL Michaels call (lack of high cards might be compensated by extra shape) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Easy to bid the grand on paper, not that clearcut at the table. However, I think North should have shown his diamond control over 5♠. The 3♥ overcall was somewhat light in high cards, yes, but the playing strength is great, so he has nothing to be ashamed of. It's a little tame to sign off in 6♥ looking at a void in a suit below trumps. I am pretty sure that you would have bid 7♥ if North had co-operated with a 6♦ cue bid. Roland I tend to agree with Roland. When you overcall, you have a good reason to do it and even if you are short in HCP, you have to assume it until the end of the auction. Btw, it is sure that this grand is not easy to bid and I fully understand the way of thinking of both N and S. Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I have a further question to add to the list. :blink: Suppose you have agreed to play Leaping Michaels over a weak 2, e.g. 4♣ would show 2 suiter clubs + hearts. If that was available, do you think North's hand has the required strength worth a NL Michaels call (lack of high cards might be compensated by extra shape) ? I don't like Michaels on that hand. Not only because of the non existent ♣ suit but also because of the too much length difference between both suits. Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I have a further question to add to the list. :blink: Suppose you have agreed to play Leaping Michaels over a weak 2, e.g. 4♣ would show 2 suiter clubs + hearts. If that was available, do you think North's hand has the required strength worth a NL Michaels call (lack of high cards might be compensated by extra shape) ?Frances said: West: 2S (weak two)North: 3H (not strong enough for 4C, but can't pass) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I think I would have considered a 4♥ bid with N's hand Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 You have a free cuebid with the North hand. Your lack of HCP has been made up whit your great distribution.Show what you have or don't have. GBB :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Its pretty impossible, there is a huge double fit that nobody is aware off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMetsch Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I don't like the 5♠ by south. Will partner bid 7♥ with a hand like: xAxxxxxAKxxxx If partner bids 6♦, will south bid 7♥ not knowing about the ♦K? I think 7♥ will not be reached after a 5♠ bid. Maybe the best approach is asking for keycards and then kings. Then south will know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I agree with not bidding 6D, so I would suffer the same fate. The problem is the north hand is not limited all that well. North is quite minimum for a 3H overcall, and bidding 6D will propel you into too many bad grands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 It's nice to claim to be able to bid every making contract, but I know that none of my partnerships have ever been able to do so. I think it is very, very dangerous to cue a void as your first cue. Imagine South looking at Ax Kxxx KQJx AKx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I have a further question to add to the list. :) Suppose you have agreed to play Leaping Michaels over a weak 2, e.g. 4♣ would show 2 suiter clubs + hearts. If that was available, do you think North's hand has the required strength worth a NL Michaels call (lack of high cards might be compensated by extra shape) ?No I don't think its close. At a minimum, I think North needs a club card for 4♣. Tough grand to bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Pass over 2s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I wonder what would have happened if you had just given the North hand with the problem after 5♠. I think bidding 6♦ just gets you into too many grand slams with an unavoidable club loser. Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I wonder what would have happened if you had just given the North hand with the problem after 5♠. I think bidding 6♦ just gets you into too many grand slams with an unavoidable club loser. Arend Can happen, but bear in mind that 6♦ denies any club control, so one would assume that partner knows what she's doing if she bids the grand now. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I wonder what would have happened if you had just given the North hand with the problem after 5♠. I think bidding 6♦ just gets you into too many grand slams with an unavoidable club loser. Arend Can happen, but bear in mind that 6♦ denies any club control, so one would assume that partner knows what she's doing if she bids the grand now. RolandRoland, how do you deal with the question of the 6♦ bid showing the A? I gave a hand for South: Ax Kxxx KQJx AKx Surely South is going to bid a grand with that hand, or with Ax Kxxx KQxxx Ax, over 6♦? I cannot see how South is ever supposed to 'know' that 6♦ is a void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I wonder what would have happened if you had just given the North hand with the problem after 5♠. I think bidding 6♦ just gets you into too many grand slams with an unavoidable club loser. Arend Can happen, but bear in mind that 6♦ denies any club control, so one would assume that partner knows what she's doing if she bids the grand now. Roland It certainly does not deny the queen. I don't think there would be unanimous agreement that it denies the king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blofeld Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Frances, even without EW bidding, it's hard to bid this grand. Without EW bidding, if I'm not going to get to this grand then I'd like to change my system. I can't really see how to bid it on this auction, though. I prefer 6♥ to 6♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I agree with not bidding 6D, so I would suffer the same fate. The problem is the north hand is not limited all that well. North is quite minimum for a 3H overcall, and bidding 6D will propel you into too many bad grands. me, 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Without EW bidding, if I'm not going to get to this grand then I'd like to change my system. Oh yeah? Show me how you bid it after pard opens 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Had you passed initially and the auction went 2S-p-3S-dbl-p-??? how would you get to the grand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Without EW bidding, if I'm not going to get to this grand then I'd like to change my system. Oh yeah? Show me how you bid it after pard opens 4♥. 4H-4N6D-7H If you're more fancy then you can bid 4H-5D(control ask). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 I agree with many of the comments already made: 1) North's hand is no longer minimal. We are talking about 7-5 shape here! 2) I would not cue 6D, I don't think that it will help partner. 3) I don't think that 6D denies the club king. 4) This hand is very tough with opposition bidding, you shouldn't get to 7H after 5S. If 4NT is keycards than that would be better. It would show the minors for me :). 5) I expect to get to 7H in an unopposed auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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