Double or Pass?

[Gerben42]

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P P P 1♠ ?

 

Please comment your choice. "What's the problem" is not allowed.

[mike777]

X ok what's the trick :D.

 

Partner is allowed to pass balanced 10 hcp hands in third seat, even those with 5 hearts.

[Guest Jlall]

X. Despite us both being passed hands we could be able to compete effectively or push them up. I prefer to get in now rather than later, and I'm limited by my passed hand status.

[cherdano]

Double, because I love making bids where I can sleep for the rest of the auction :D I am saying that partner will be perfectly placed to make any later decision, as he knows what to expect from my hand.

[mikeh]

if not now, when?

 

Do they remove the double card from the bidding box on this sequence?

 

Joking aside, there is no doubt but that double may give away a game contract: imagine them reaching game on a 9 card fit missing the Queen.

 

But passing here is scared bridge, and scared bridge players rarely win

[Gerben42]

I'd normally say the same thing "what's the problem" "bridge is a bidders game" etc. but I heard some arguments that in this specific situation:

 

We are vulnerable, both hands are passed and they have the master suit and very likely a fit in it. A good player (national champion) I asked was critical of doubling which DID in fact give away the ♠ suit so I wondered if I should reconsider.

[Winstonm]

A third seat pass doesn't mean we can't compete so put me down for double as well. This is not without risk but what is?

 

Winston

[Guest Jlall]

A good player (national champion) I asked was critical of doubling which DID in fact give away the ♠ suit so I wondered if I should reconsider.

Was he critical before or after he knew it gave away the spade suit?

[whereagles]

Double. And if anyone comes to tell me this is wrong because "it gives away the spades", I'll call him a noobish results merchant.

[TheoKole]

Double, "What's the...." oh sorry :)

 

This is a classic balancing double in my opinion, and partner may just leave it in for penalty with 10-11 points and good spade spots.

 

There is no reason that we can not compete to the 2 level safely in any 3 different suits.

 

Theo

[omeroj]

Always will dbl...this is the tipic hand to bid dbl.

 

 

Omero

[mikestar]

Double. OK, there are two ways this loses--they bid 4♠ making that they would have missed if you passed, or they bid 4♠ and it makes because your double let's declarer guess the Q of trumps (remember he would have guessed it half the time anyway).

 

These losing cases are quite rare. Much more common results are they get pushed to 3♠ (which is a "heads we win, tails we don't lose" position) or you buy it in three of your best suit, making or losing less than defending spades.

 

 

Of course the losing cases are dramatic while the much more frequent winning cases are not. But the upside potential is so great that I double gladly at IMPs, and if I were to pass at MPs I would have to be sobriety impaired. Actually, I take that back, I play better bridge than that drunk.

 

 

From a LOTT perpective to bid 2 of your suit over 1 of theirs (doubling 1♠ is equivalent to this), you need 14 total trumps which it is impossible not to have. It can't ever be right to leave them in 1 of a suit unless your hand strongly indicates that they are in the wrong suit or have missed a game--and your hand argues strongly against both possibilities.

[Fluffy]

Double... with 1 less ♥ and anotehr ♠... double..... without the ♣Q double... ;)

[han]

Double.

 

With one less heart and 2 spades: pass.

 

Without the club queen: pass.

 

Biggest advantage of the double is that it won't come to (1S)-p-(1NT)-p-(2S)-?

[joker_gib]

Dbl is clear for me

 

Alain

[P_Marlowe]

Hi Gerben,

 

Dbl, wtp? :P

 

I have a tree suiter, I have the values to fight

for the part score.

 

Actually I am super maximum for a double,

but this does not hurt.

 

Marlowe

[junyi_zhu]

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P P P 1♠ ?

 

Please comment your choice. "What's the problem" is not allowed.

In my opinion, they are close decisions. You can win more small pots if you double. You can win big pots if you pass. The draw back of x is that opps may have a intellegent guess in spade suit and once a blue moon, you may get redoubled and have no where to play at 2 level. However, if you double, you can sometimes push them to 3 level. Anyway, this hand is more likely opps' hand. So in MP, it's a clearcut double, in IMP, you probably want to hit big pots, especially when you want to create swings, this type of hands are good for swing purpose.

[pclayton]

Dealer: South Vul: Both Scoring: Unknown

♠ T ♥ KJ53 ♦ A974 ♣ Q843

 

P P P 1♠ ?

 

Please comment your choice. "What's the problem" is not allowed.

In my opinion, they are close decisions. You can win more small pots if you double. You can win big pots if you pass. The draw back of x is that opps may have a intellegent guess in spade suit and once a blue moon, you may get redoubled and have no where to play at 2 level. However, if you double, you can sometimes push them to 3 level. Anyway, this hand is more likely opps' hand. So in MP, it's a clearcut double, in IMP, you probably want to hit big pots, especially when you want to create swings, this type of hands are good for swing purpose.

I think you mean, you'll avoid losing big pots if you pass. Hard to see how passing wins big pots :P

[Guest Jlall]

When they go down in a game because they misguess spades after you don't make a t/o X, you have won a big pot. I think that was his point.

[pigpenz]

its a bidders game and i have the unbid suits.

[junyi_zhu]

When they go down in a game because they misguess spades after you don't make a t/o X, you have won a big pot. I think that was his point.

yes, actually not only the sp trump part, they also may misguess a two way finesse of CQ or misguess the situation of DKJ finesse. Bidding is a double edge sword, when you bid something, you usually disclose some information. So whenyou believe this hand probably belongs to opps and it's hard to kill their 2 level suit contracts by spades, passing is a logical choice. This is like the argument that sometimes it's wise to pass with 6 hearts and singleton spades, because you hearts often can't kill 4S and 2H might sell partner's SQxx. Still, I believe it's just a swing generating thinking. Normally, you still want to open 2H and still want to double 1S, because you really don't want to miss the chance to create problems for you opps.