was I crazy

[bestguru]

[hv=d=n&v=e&s=s4hkj964dkq87654c]133|100|Scoring: IMP

partner dealt and opened 3♣ passed to me[/hv]

 

My gut reaction was that they had a spade game and I quickly bid 4♦. Was this nuts?

[Guest Jlall]

if 4D is really natural and non forcing I guess it's ok. I would have bid 3D (forcing) because 4D is artificial for me.

[mikeh]

For me, 4♦ is keycard in ♣ (and for you, Justin, as well, I bet)

 

So the choices are pass, 3♦, 3♥, or (wait for it) 4♣

 

3♦ is forcing but not guaranteed to prevent 3♠ on your left.

 

What might be worse is that partner is entitled to play you for values and therefore make calls that you don't want to hear... including double of 4♠. I would not worry much on that topic, but it is wrong to think that partner is barred after preempting.

 

3♦ is also unlikely to get a useful response, so that the opps may get a fielder's choice: imagine RHO doubling partner's 4♣ bid, for example.

 

3♥ is slightly better, in terms of partner's response, since he may raise you to game. If undoubled, this might be a good score.

 

Pass seems the most logical call, since it comes closest to describing your values :)

 

I would run to 3♦ if LHO doubled and RHO sat for it.

 

4♣ might be the best psyche :D But I would not do it: I am at least 25 years too old for it.

 

BTW, I see no reason to assume that the opps are cold for anything at the game level, other than (perhaps) 3N.

[Guest Jlall]

4C dude, i like it. If lho bid 4S its even a lead direct. You rock. I seriously change my vote to 4C. That bid is awesome.

[Guest Jlall]

btw i agree that 3D is not likely to get you a useful response, however I think if it does get you a raise thats the most favorable bid possible (of any bid). If 3H gets raised by say Qx, or xxx and you get tapped it could be pretty bad. A diamond save however would be quite nice, and there's not too much risk involved. I still like 4C though, it's really a creative bid.

[mike777]

pass

[Blofeld]

Love 4♣. But I'd never think of it at the table.

 

[3SP] is a possibility, but I can see bad things happening after this, as partner keeps on putting you back into spades. I might try 3N, though ... nowhere near as good as 4♣, but ...

[bestguru]

Thanks for the responses.

 

pass - If I had thought for a quarter of second more, I would have

 

I don't think I like 4♦ as natural and non forcing either but it was handy here.

 

3♦ seemed pointless and dangerous to me, so I agree with mikeh on that.

 

3♥ did cross my mind but I figured partner to be strict about having nothing worthwhile outside clubs for his 3♣ call

 

3♠ scares the willies out of me. I would admire your daring if you were to make the call though

 

3NT didn't occur to me, but I do like it.

 

4♣ I considered this and immediately discarded it as it seemed like the kind of wacky thing that I'm prone to do and have come out badly . I am reconsidering though.

 

I think I'll pass next time, but if that psych itch just had to be scratched I'd go with 4♣

[pigpenz]

yes stir the pot alittle with that awesome lead director of 4♣

[Fluffy]

It seems obvious we don't wanna play ♥ at all, so I guess it all comes down to if we wanna suggest to play 5♦, bid 5♦ or help ourselves against 4♠.I also like the 4♣ idea.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

pass.

 

4D wont stop them bidding game,

if they have it on and are able to bid

it.

 

One of them already passed, i.e. you

have a lot of strength in hearts and

diamonds => the chances are greater

that your partner will be able to play 3C.

 

The argument: "But they were cold for 4S"

after one went for a number is silly most of

the time, sometimes the cards lay so, that

each opponent has a hard time to enter the

bidding.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe