bigmax Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Could proponents of responding on (almost) anything suggest bidding tools to control action if opener has a decent hand. If opposite example hand that started this discussion opener has balanced 18 2533 2nt would not be pretty. As far as I understand in WJ odwratka can handle this. Might some Gazilli like 2c relay work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 The layout was very friendly, and you were cold for 11 tricks in hearts. Roland I think very friendly doesn't make justice to the lay out if you really made 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Could proponents of responding on (almost) anything suggest bidding tools to control action if opener has a decent hand. If opposite example hand that started this discussion opener has balanced 18 2533 2nt would not be pretty. As far as I understand in WJ odwratka can handle this. Might some Gazilli like 2c relay work? Absolutely. In gazilli, opener rebids 2C an many different kinds of hands (including strong balanced hands in most versions). Responder bids 2D with most hands, but can bid 2H or 2S with crap. Opener will usually pass this. Had I responded 1S over 1H (which I decided I would not) then I would rebid 2S over 2C and we would usually be in a playable spot (and, if opener has a strong balanced hand, likely a better spot than 1H). Playing inquiry2over1 the chance that you will survive is even larger: A jump shift shows a non-forcing 5-5: easy pass. A 3H rebid shows a very good heart suit: easy pass. 2NT is strong and shows 4-card spade support: sign off in 3S (unless opener bids game over that, in that case you should have some play). 2C is strong and artificial (Riton 2C): sign off in 2S. Opener will only continue with a very strong hand. 2S, 2H and 2D can easily be passed. The downside to bidding really is very small in this system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Could proponents of responding on (almost) anything suggest bidding tools to control action if opener has a decent hand. If opposite example hand that started this discussion opener has balanced 18 2533 2nt would not be pretty. As far as I understand in WJ odwratka can handle this. Might some Gazilli like 2c relay work? Correct you would play 2spades with that hand2d=2h=2s=pass note you play it from the strong hand. Of course you can come up with example hands that work out worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmax Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Thx Hannie, How would it work after 1c-1M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 After 1C-1S it goes similarly in inquiry2over1. Now the 2D rebid is forcing and artificial and may include strong balanced hands. Again, we rebid 2S to show a bad hand and partner passes with most of those. Higher rebids by opener show support: 2NT shows 4 spades and 17+ support points. 3C shows 6+ clubs and 3 spades with a good hand. All these bids we can survive. These are not standard methods btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted September 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 Ok, the player who held this hand passed, and tabled dummy with the words "Probably it's one of those hands where we just about make 1♥ and the other table is cruising in 6♠." His partner supported this analysis: "Well, 7 are on a finesse." as declarer held the big two-suiter of the other thread:[hv=d=s&v=b&s=saqjxxhakjtxxdcax]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]It wasn't as bad as that, they made 3 in 1♥ as some of the posters here would have done, and the finesse for 7 wasn't on. So only -15 IMPs. Of course one hand proves nothing, but obviously if you don't respond very light, 1♥ with this two-suiter is more dangerous than usual, as you have 19 hcp and you have the majors. (With spade shortness, RHO will often not choose to balance I think.) Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 lol, nice. Actually I bet there is a correlation between 2C openers on the 2 suiter and passers on this hand. It does have some effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 They forgot to open MisIry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 30, 2005 Report Share Posted September 30, 2005 They forgot to open MisIry? The world has not seen the light.... Perhaps they never will... BTW, yet another reason for misiry, you don't have to keep auctions open if you don't feel like it. Or you can bid hoping to improve the contract (2♥ will not be an improvement) as jump shifts are not forcing, and their is multiple ways to stay out of 4♠ on almost all hands as opener has two game tries BELOW 3♠ with fit, and you can reject them both sequentially. But then, you pointed this out above somewhere.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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